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I would lose my mind with worry if my dogs weren't where they were supposed to be. It's beyond me why people let their dogs run loose for all the above reasons Wolf-Kim listed.

You can go ahead and tell the neighbors about your chickens, but I have found (and this is ONLY in my own experience) that people who let their dogs run amok just don't care. I'd make an anonymous call to animal control, that way you don't have to deal with the neighbors at all, and they won't know it's you reporting them.

I have neighbors who just don't care and they know full well I'll shoot their dogs if they're here again. In retrospect, I wouldn't have bothered taking so much time to talk, ask, beg and insist. I would have just SSS - because animal control doesn't service my area and that's what my sherif told me to do. I have learned you just can't reason with some people.

HOWEVER, I do have the occassional canine visitor who doens't bother my chickens, and I don't pay them any mind....
 
Our farm is in central Texas (near Waco) and I can't tell you how many goat farmers on our road have Great Pyrs or Grear Pyr-Anatolian mixes. So don't let that be the determining factor for you. Actually as far as heat goes, I don't think the German Shephards with their thick dark coats have much advantage over them in our hot climate.

There's another guardian breed, Akbash, that come in a shorter coat as well as a longer coat, but they are harder to find and can be pricey. But that's what I have my heart set on.

But if you stick w/the German Shephards, good luck.

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We've had several Shepherds, all have been good with our other animals and our children.

They are first and foremost a tending dog, so their basic nature is to guard whatever they consider to belong to their "family."

They have been bred rather indiscrimitately by backyard breeders in the US, however, so be careful in your search.

They are prone to several genetically linked problems, including hip and elbow dysplasia, and tendencies towards pancreatitis and issues with enlarged esophagus. You should definately discuss these with any breeder you are considering, and if they can't provide good answers as to how they are keeping these problems from their line, or are dismissive of your questions, look elsewhere.

A good breeder will have an OFA (orthopedic foundation for animals) registration number confirming sound hips, at a minimum (not all breeders xray Shepherds for elbows) on the parentage of the litter. This is not a guarantee that your pup won't develop dysplasia, but you're far less likely to have issues than with a backyard breeder simply making a buck off whatever papered pups they can produce.

See:
http://www.offa.org/

... and verify your breeder's certification.
http://www.offa.org/search.html


You should expect to pay $500-$1500 for a good working line Shepherd, if that is what you are aiming for. That sounds expensive, but vet care for a dog with bad hips or pancreatitis will cost you far more, and seeing a young dog in the prime of life with a crippling ailment is heartbreaking. I went through that with my first Shepherd; I asked about OFA, and took a backyard breeder at his word instead of asking for the certificate number. Five years later, I and my beloved pet were at the vet, spending about $3000 on hip surgery, that was lucky for us) succesful ... the vet said my dog had the worst hip sockets he'd ever seen ... don't support Shepherd breeders who don't xray by buying their pups.

There also seems to be an American fixation with breeding bigger. A good German Shepherd Dog is within the breed standard, 24"-26" at the top of the shoulder for a male, 22"-24" for a female. Shepherds bred for larger size are a) often bred for size with no consideration for anything else, and b) far more prone to hip problems.

Ask a lot of questions regarding the temperment of your breeder's line. Some working line Shepherds are quite "sharp" in temperment compared to what you may be used to, and you definately don't want to accidently acquire that much agression! Some breeders breed working lines for herding/tending work, but many working line Shepherds are bred for protection/police/military work, and they are a handful to work with outside their intended setting. I have one (and trained for LE work), and you don't want to get one of those if you arent prepared to work with that temperment.

Also, most dogs are originally descended from the jackal line of the canine world, and are more indescriminately social. German Shepherd Dogs are of the wolf side of the canine world, and are much more pack-oriented; they'll show far different behavior to those they identify as being part of their pack than of outsiders, so consider who might be coming by, and just how suspicious a nature you want.

I have a number of friends who come over every weekend, and have for years. They don't knock, they just walk in and yell "hello!" ... Several walked in together, and one had brought his brother along for the first time. My LE-line GSD picked the one new fellow out of the group in about a second, and had him backed against the wall doing a "bark and hold" til I came over and said "friend." That Shepherd is out of a line bred for police work, and he's just wired that way and he is very confrontational with people he does not know ... which can be a pain in the ... anyway, my other Shepherds have not been that mistrusting of strangers, unless they are given reason to be ... so ask questions regarding the temperment of your breeder's line, and don't get a line bred for protection work unless you know what you are getting and why.

Individual dogs will of course vary, and training and evironment do matter a lot, but breeding does make a huge difference, so don't discount that!

As far as GSDs and chickens go, most tending breeds will take to guarding anything you turn over to them, though, as I mentioned, there's been so much indiscriminate backyard breeding of German Shepherds that it is hard to tell what you are getting unless you get one of a real "working line." Some of that hard-wired tendency towards tending is gone from much of the backyard breeder stock.

GSDs are smart, need human companionship, and a job to do. Any tending or herding breed that is intended to "work" will be a problem animal if left penned with nothing to do, and a bored GSD allowed to roam loose will not necessarily be protective of other people's animals, and can become quite predatory.

Also, in my experience, slow moving cars and bicycles tend to set off German Shepherd Dogs ... I don't know if it is the speed resembling that of a predator, or what, but if my GSDs see a cyclist on the other side of a tree line, and just see that motion through the trees, they are off like a shot. Good thing for sturdy fences ... cyclists passing by our place get more cardio than they set out for.
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You'll want a fence too, if you have nearby traffic of any sort.

Sorry for the lengthy post; I dont know much about chickens and lurk here to learn, but Ill peep up and contribute where I do know a thing or two ... I've had GSDs for years, and have trained for LE and Schutzhund.

Good luck finding your next best buddy!
 
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Huskies, Malamutes, and German Shepherd Dogs all descend from the "wolf" side of the canine world (while the bulk of domestic dog breeds descended from the "jackal" side, and have different social characteristics).

As such, they are more strongly pack-oriented, and draw much more of a line between "ours" and "everything else". A GSD might well protect "his" goats with his life, but be perfectly willing to come over to your place and "hunt" yours. They're just wired that way, and shame on whoever is letting them roam.

GSDs are generally very good about protecting their own family's stock, but many have the tendency to see other people's animals as prey.

Some GSDs have very high prey drive; we had a female that we had to "bell", as she liked to stake out and hunt at our birdfeeders and kill wild doves. I swear, she was a cat zipped up in a dog suit. She didn't bother any of our permanent residents, but considered wild birds fair game.

My GSDs have all been good around my own animals, children, etc, but I expect that were I to allow them to roam someone else's land (maintain your fences, keep your dog at home!), that they'd likely "hunt."!
 
Wombat knows GSDs... I can tell you that from two words in this next statement:

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Hardly anyone outside of GSD enthusiasts would know what megaesophagus is.. Our GSD has it, and has to eat gruel* on a steep incline to prevent a worsening of the condition.

She was the product of an 'accidental' breeding between two purebred white GSDs of which nobody knows any history.. The male belonged to a deadbeat family member of mine, and they claimed to have "found" the female somewhere as a stray.. Personally, I think they stole her just so they could breed the two and try to turn a quick buck.

As soon as the female was bred, they decided they didn't want to deal with the pups so they turned her over to another family member of mine, who promptly broke her ankle just after the pups were born. She couldn't handle a bunch of pups, soo.....

Tada! -- we got ALL the pups at about 6wo and had to find them good homes. We considered giving them away for free, but decided we'd make folks put up $150/ea to at least ensure they were serious and to force them to put some kind of investment in the dog...even then, we had people calling saying they'd like to "try" a GSD, but weren't willing to pay $500-$1000. One lady actually told me that she was going to let them run loose and wanted two of our $150 pups because if they ran away, she'd only be out $300 instead of $1000-$2000.

Uh, no. Sorry, but you're an idiot.

We already had one picked out to keep when we she started spitting up kibble.. A barium x-ray showed megaesophagus...she was about 7wo. I was prepared to put her down, but the vet said he'd give her a chance if it was his dog.. We named her Hope.

I guess she's going to be...jeez, 3 years old?...this August, and I'm pleased to say that she rarely ever spits up food.. We've been fortunate, so far (knock on wood)..

So, yeah...listen to wombat. Wombat knows that of which wombat speaks.


*"gruel" means we take dry dog food and run it through a food processor, mix it with water, and feed it pretty soupy.. She's been doing it since she was 7wo, so it's all she really knows. No biggie for her.

We even burp her when she finishes a bowl.
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It's a lot of work, but she's definitely worth it.
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Sorry to hear that you're going through that. Another thing you might want to try is to put her bowl up a couple of steps, so that her front feet are one step off the ground when she eats. (A bit harder on her hindquarters over time, but bad cases that can't keep food down have more pressing concerns!) That, and make her sit for a while so that food is more likely to stay down.

Edit: Sorry, missed the part where you said you're already feeding her on an incline.

Good luck with her.
 
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Thanks....she's a handful, but we consider ourselves lucky to have her.
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For anyone who's interested, we have her step up and put her front feet on an end table, and her food dish is elevated on a stack of umpteen phone books.. She's pretty steep when she eats.. The vets only recommended 'elevating' at the time of the diagnosis, so we way elevated...short of putting her in a "Bailey Chair ," she's about as inclined as it gets with the end table/phonebook setup.

She actually went through a bout of vomiting recently, and even though we knew it was from the gut and not the esophagus, we had her megaesophagus re-evaluated.. They did another barium x-ray and weren't overly concerned that it was getting any worse, so that was good news to us..

Everytime she goes to the vet, they tell us to keep on doing whatever it is that we're doing.
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You are my hero!

One day, I hope to breed working/imported German Shepherds and train for the Schutzhund and the likes.

There is a time and place for everything and right now is not the right time for them in my life. One day!
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-Kim
 
Above discussion is why I went with the King Sheperd. I have been in the dog show world and most US sheperds are not that great.
 

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