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No, you be careful, that's alright. I wouldn't have let her in either, unless I already knew her and her history and current condition really well, even then if I had children in the house I would want the visitor to be in a separate locked out area.

One of our mentally ill people encouraged one of the visiting kids to play with this big old trunk with a drop latch. He honestly had no idea it was dangerous, he wasn't trying to get the kid hurt at all, he just recalled playing in such a trunk, that's all. He just had absolutely no sense of what a safe toy was. But they don't realize sometimes what can happen with little kids. They aren't always trying to hurt anyone - mental illness very often means poor judgement.

Some homeless have years of alcoholism or street drugging too. Even years after they quit, they can exhibit poor judgement, sudden impulses, etc.

The most important thing is - many people who can't bear the shelters, are very, very mentally sick. They can get just as trapped and scared feeling in a house. Many of the long term homeless are in that state - in some cities, 'sidewalk survey's have indicated fully 95% of the 'chronically homeless' are suffering from severe mental illness. They get in a room with a door closed and they start getting very tense. It looks to them like everything is coming at them. One fellow I knew thoroughly enjoyed being invited in to a house for a meal, but within 30 minutes he was a wreck. He never quite put it together in his mind how that worked. That's another thing - mental illness can cause a lot of poor judgement and failure to see cause-and-effect.

The other thing you have to think of is that in some cities, a lot of homeless test positive for toxomplasmosis, or have bed bugs or lice in their clothes and hair. Not a few people may carry tuberculosis, hepatitis, other things. And most homeless in most cities, are very 'under-treated' for health problems. Some of the more severely mentally ill people can't even bear to sit in a doctor's office or go to a health care clinic. Too scary.

Since you're leaving this won't apply to you but it might to someone else.

If you have a homeless coalition in your area, they may hand out 'Street Cards'. These list all the homeless shelters in the area, emergency agencies, and they usually list women's shelters separately. Most urban places have a Mobile Crisis Unit or other transportation to take people to other shelters. Because the problems of the homeless women are so severe, often there are special services for them in big cities. They are at great risk on the street.

The woman might have been suffering from mental illness, and was afraid to stay at your front door for long. They often are fearful of even kind people and feel they need to keep moving. Sometimes that's all that saves them from the cold, that they keep walking. I have tried to give some of them bus or cab fare, but quite often they are too afraid to ride on a bus - taxis are worse - more closed in.

Some of them are too mentally ill to stay in the shelters. Even if the shelter has room, they can't stand being in such close quarters, and so they often don't even try to get into the shelter. For a lot of people the noise and activity and close quarters in the shelters make their symptoms worse. In any case, even for non-mentally ill, shelters are usually a pretty intimidating place. There is a lot of noise and the bathrooms are usually not safe places to be in. All of the people who stayed at our house, got really really tense and their symptoms really got bad when they tried to use the bathroom. Little bit of history there. If they're really sick the harsh lights and the acoustics on tile walls bother them, too.

But it's also possible she realized that most likely, she wouldn't have that blanket for long. Someone would beat her up for it pretty quick. Hopefully someone told her about a place she could go to. They look for abandoned buildings, subway tunnels, things like that. Of course you usually have to move a couple times a night, but getting up and moving sometimes saves your life. You can fall asleep and just not wake up.

Something that can be worn under an old coat might not be as noticeable, and they might be able to hang onto that for longer.

When I was working around those areas, I left a box at my desk at work, and anyone who had any old nice winter clothes would drop them off. I always had some good warm wool sweaters and things like that.

Of course that's the problem with shelters and with being outside. If you have any good coat, underclothes or boots you won't have them for long. As I said something concealed under your coat is best. You have to sleep with your boots on your feet or see if you can tie them to something while you sleep. Hopefully you feel it when someone tries to steal them - if you can't fight them off you're better off letting the theif take them, though.

Usually the mentally ill have it worse. First of all, schizophrenia and other diseases, you can't feel your feet and hands getting cold, literally, they can't feel the cold. But also they get beat up and things taken from them more, they are seen as an easy mark. Most of the mentally ill learn to hide their symptoms to try and prevent being victimized, but after they get past a certain point they have a hard time doing that for more than a few minutes. And on the street people have a lot of time to check you out.
 
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Trust your instinct and protect your family, you did the right thing and a blanket can go a long ways for this poor woman whatever her demise or discomfort may be.
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you did the right thing... let me tell you something... i thought i lived in the ghetto while i was growing up because of the gangs, violence and drugs... but it gets worst than that... after i finished paying off my house for my dad, i left my house... i left with 20 dollars in my pocket... my dad didn't kick me out, but he was the reason i left... i left my car left everything, and started living in the streets... i've never done drugs or bad stuff, i just gave up on life really quick...

i slept on benches, parks, sidewalks, it got pretty bad... but that was only the first week... after i made some friends, i learned that bums kind of have it easy... all they have to do if they're hungry is stand near a burger place and ask someone to buy them a burger... no one ever said no to me... i was very great full... there were some very comfy shelters, and they even had showers and washing machines... i also realized that it's so easy NOT being homeless... i got tired of it after three months, and decided to do something... i got a job, an apartment and a car... although i did get help from my first boyfriend but still, he never knew i was homeless until i moved back home and broke up with him... but still... in this country, it's so easy to get money, find a whatever job at an agency, and to find help to get you started... the ones that stay on the street are there because they either don't want to help themselves, or are heavily into drugs... that's the only two things that makes a homeless person homeless... they lose themselves for some reason...

after i went thru that self identifying "voyage" i look at the homeless different... i'd rather give a poor person dollars, than a homeless person my change... i know it sounds bad, but it's the way it should be... but if a homeless person ask me for food, either from my kitchen, or a restaurant, i will never say no to them...

believe me when i say you did the right thing... this mexican man right here has gone through all of that stuff... being homeless was a choice for me... and it's a choice for everyone else as well...




and move... don't stay in the ghetto... although, you might not be able to keep your flock... i know the ghettos over here like compton and south LA, everyone has chickens, cows and other livestock animals in their homes with no problems... and here in this so called "poor" neighborhood i live in, i can only keep two hens... it's so retarded... but i rather live with no chickens, than to be submerged in violence, sadness, and the lost...



be careful, be safe, and stay healthy... i know everything will be better for you in the future... think positive and good will come to you...
 
I would have done the same as you. Want to do more,but afraid for my family. Hopefully someone helped her.
 
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I've gotten to meet and talk with more than my fair share of panhandlers, drunks and addicts, mentally challenged, and so forth (mom is an alcoholic/addict, who often is in rehab, and has been in halfway houses). I wouldn't trust them in my home or car, but I would give to them, no matter their vice or mental state. A blanket, shoes or $5 is not much to me, but it might keep them from begging to another person who would do harm to them just for being what they are. As for your lady - either she wasn't legit, or she was what welsummerchicks said - mentally ill and panicked.

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I think she panicked and was either mentally ill or just so distraught from her situation that she felt hopelessness and just ran. We were the only ones on the block with our porch lights on (we don't ever turn it off after sundown--we put a sensor on it so it automatically comes on at sundown). This whole incident just confirmed for us that getting this place in the mountains is the right thing for us. It's like others said... we want to help, but we have to think of our own safety primarily. You could hear in this woman's voice that she was most likely legit... the cold was just biting THROUGH her... but I think she freaked out and ran. We didn't tell her we were gonna give her a blanket, just that we weren't going to open the door. My guess is that this poor woman was embarrassed to be in the situation she was in and just left.

I never had seen her before yesterday--after a while, you get used to all the faces in the neighborhood. I think she was someone not familiar with the neighborhood who was referred to the shelter down the street & was left stranded out in this part of town when they told her it was full.

This place is actually not so bad in the daytime. Workin' folks like us, but they all stay inside (like us) when the sun goes down. Several families with chickens and one house about 8-10 houses down with chickens AND goats. Lots of people in the neighborhood garden--by mid/late June, you can see the tops of the corn plants peeping up over everybody's fences. There was a community garden down the street that has not been worked in a year and a half (I don't know what happened to it, but I heard rumors that the people that were working/tending the garden got tired of all the food being stolen and the plants trampled on by the food thieves. It's a shame because a lot of the food that was grown from that garden WAS voluntarily donated to local food banks and soup kitchens, and now the people in this neighborhood (usually the transients) have ruined that, too.

There's been a lot of effort to clean up and revitalize Oak Park, but there are so many issues here that I think it's beyond Sacramento's ability to fix it. We hear a lot about homelessness in places like LA, Chicago, and New York, but here in the capital of California, it's a HUGE problem and not a lot of resources available here for the homeless. Because of the mortgage crisis and cuts to state workers' salaries, the homeless problem here in Sacramento is the worst I have ever seen it in the 27+ years I've lived here. When you live in the cap city & state workers' salaries are cut, it practically wipes out the local economy because of businesses that are supported by those state workers.

I don't know the solution or if there even is one. I just know I need a break from it and can't WAIT to begin our new life in the mountains!
 
Wow. I was gonna say, you need to get out of there to a better "bug out location" if you can, "place in the mountains" sounds good if you have good water, good soil, can be largely self-sufficient and keep your survivalist hat on! www.survivalblog.com plus many many more sites.

You did the right thing. She could have had accomplices ready to rush into your place.

You also did the right thing finding a blanket, it's hard to do it all 100% perfect when making split-second decisions, I doubt I'd have thought to say, "Wait a minute, I'll get you a blanket" myself.

She also could have been one of the millions of ex-middle-class, you just don't know.

I was homeless in 2008, couch-sleeping homeless, not street homeless. If I'd descended that far, I'd likely still be on the street now. It's like falling into a deep hole.

I was panhandling (and took pride in being a very nice, polite, panhandler who only asked ONCE and thanked everyone even the ones who told me to go to hell, or worse) to pay for my spot on the couch, $20 a night. Many homeless who can get Food Stamps use those Food Stamps to pay for rent in a garage, backyard shed, etc. Then they hit the food banks and dumpsters to eat, themselves. It's a HUGE change of gears to go from a Prius and a nice apartment and credit etc., to being a nobody with a backpack worth of stuff and papers not in order.

How I got out of it was, as long as I could panhandle I knew I could always pay someone for accomodations, either a room, couch, garage, something. But I didn't like, and don't like, panhandling if I can avoid it. Strangely, I ended up finding a girlfriend! I didn't have time to even try to find one when I was working 60-hour weeks running my small business, but now other than a few hours a day panhandling, I had time to relax. And I felt less stressed because I no longer lived in fear of losing everything, that had happened! So, I guess cash in my pocket, a motorcycle, and a devil-may-care attitude added up to getting a girlfriend. So, I lived with her to survive the winter of 2008-09, and was fixing everything at her place. My GF expected me to keep panhandling, gals don't care HOW you got your money, just THAT you have money. Instead I was doing all the deferred maintainence at her place, and being constructive. I was talking about my repairs etc on a Peak Oil site that's now gone, and the land owner here offered to help out with the broken well pump, and we fixed that. We hit it off, and I mentioned I was probably one argument from being on the street again (true, things were getting rocky) and I moved here. I was able to move here because I was still housed, and able to demonstrate that I'm fairly hardworking and honest.

If I were on the street, I'd have no neglected GF's house to demonstrate my fixit skills on, no 'net access to talk about it on, my skills such as they are would be hidden. And once you're a refugee, no one in their right mind will be foolish enough to let you come close. They are smart - a refugee is a "black box" you don't know what's inside. They may be an Eagle Scout, CPA, with a minor in carpentry who doesn't smoke or drink. Or they may be a felon, who's good at lying. Once you're on the street, a refugee, you've entered the underworld and well, God help you since millions more are piling in every year.

Even though I have a place to live now, I still am most interested in skills I can use even if I have only what I can carry on my back. I don't get any income here, so I make maybe $5-$10 a day, as a yearly average, if I find recycling, do odd jobs, sell stuff I find at garage sales, etc. I can't call my way of life third-world, but it's certainly not what's considered a standard American way of life. No car, get to borrow one occasionally. A hot bath means heating a big pot on the stove. I mainly keep chickens because not keeping them means I have to buy eggs, and the logistics of getting a carton of eggs home by bicycle are tricky. I get my greens from the garden and I know what to forage too. So my diet is actually quite good.

Some will ask, I'd sure ask, Why didn't I see this collapse coming and SAVE SOME MONEY? Well, I had my small biz, had debt I was busting my butt to pay off, and I ASSumed that while things would decline, there would not be any steep drops. I thought there was a chance to get the debt paid off, then start saving. Instead, my sales dropped by 2/3 in mid 2007. I wasn't even making my expenses. I just did not think that kind of drop was possible. It turned out to be.

If I was *more* paranoid, and in my book, you just can't be *too* paranoid these days, I'd have been taking the electronic components I had with gold in/on them and caching those somewhere, I'd have gotten a van I could use as a bug-out vehicle. I'd have been saving up survival money in the form of "junk" silver coins, looked at "junk" land I could buy, the whole survivalist thing. Thinking back further, while I slogged along in college for an engineering degree, I'd have instead gone for a degree in music. Since shoemaking isn't taught in college and veterinary school is muy expensive, music is one thing they teach in college that will pretty much always keep you fed. At least always get you some cash money or a dinner etc.

So this is my (boring) story. How can anyone not see the legions of homeless people now and not realize it could very likely happen to THEM? Prepare, prepare now!

(anyone with any questions, I'll cheerfully answer 'em in a thread or a PM)
 
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I understand what you are saying. In contrast however, just think: The more "non-ghetto" people live in ghettos, the less ghetto it will become, until eventually no longer a ghetto.

Years ago, in my 20's I lived in a neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY. It was a beautiful neighborhood, upscale, trendy, lots of quaint shops and vegan restaurants, upper class, very nice. Well, I worked on Staten Island and some of my much older coworkers hadn't been to my neighborhood in decades. They were shocked when I said where I lived and told me stories about how bad it was, crime, drugs, total ghetto. I explained that it certainly is not like that now. I did some research. Sure enough, it used to be a notoriously bad neighborhood, but gradually people moved in and improved it. People opened up nice little shops, etc., until they eventually drove the ghetto out. Now it's a place to be proud of.

So when feeling bad about having to live there, for the time being at least, consider that you are helping to improve the area by being there!
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I live in a ghetto at the moment. Moving to glorious countryside in a few months (and that is when I get mah chickens!). Anyway, my housemates and I never open the door alone. If someone is expected (friend texts us they are coming over), we answer the door. If at least two people are home, we cautiously answer unexpected knocks. Meaning the chain stays in place, and a loaded gun is nearby. Yes. It is that bad. You were right not to open the front door, as everyone has said. While she may have been legit, if she hadn't been, you might not have been able to post this thread...
 
As the times get worse, things like this will get worse.

Get to know your neighbors. Work on making your house more burglar proof, and more home-invasion proof. Work on tactics, never answering the door alone, always having at least 2 people and a gun, all of these things are going to be common sense.

There's a blog run by a guy named "Ferfal" called Surviving In Argentina. As with all things on the decaying Internet, I can't tell you where, but I can tell you where to look. Argentina's further along the downward slope than the US is, and he has a LOT of good advice for living in the coming times, since he's already living in them! He's moving to the US soon also, which I'm glad to hear since we need people like him.

Dmitry Orlov's site is also very good, look on google, it's called club orlov. He lived through the USSR's collapse and is a good guide and source of ideas for the US's collapse. He has a book out, called Reinventing Collapse.

As I've mentioned, www.survivalblog.com is the big daddy site right now. Very good reading and new stuff daily.
 

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