Golden Salmon Marans

[Lemontea66]

Does anyone have any chicks or even better some pullets ans a cockerel? Looking for French standard only.
Thanks
Eddie

 

[3riverschick]

Does anyone have any chicks or even better some pullets ans a cockerel? Looking for French standard only.
Thanks
Eddie

Hi Eddie,
This is the rarest of all Marans colors. It is a completely recessive color palette. I tried 5 times in 2 years to found a flock in it and finally gave up and moved to Sussex. That said, there is hope since I left. I have been searching around and this is what I would do if I ever wanted to get started in this color again.
It will require research but I think the quality you will get from this will be good.
1. First of all, there are three closed flock of GS Marans in the US with real nice birds. Don't waste your time, you will not get in, just get put off. Marie Cantrell in Montana, Bev Davis in FL. and Arla Meininger in Michigan.
Now that said, I believe there is an end run available you can use to get around this situation. It's innovative, but I think it will work based on my research and personal experience. Two names, Connie Zullo in Georgia and Jesus Llano in FL.( Both have contact info on the Net ). Connie has a lovely show winning GS rooster from FL and a couple of GS hens from a MO farm. Get 2 dozen eggs from this trio. They will hatch out BTB females, GS females and all mis-marked cull males. Your GS females should be 12.5 to 25% of all the females hatched. So you see you need chicks or 2-3 dozen eggs. Cull all the males. Raise up the BTB females and sell them. They are lovely birds and should command a nice price as started chicks because they don't carry the MH gene (at least mine didn't). Keep the GS females. Connie is a very nice lady. Tell her I sent you.
Now get in touch with Jesus LLano in FL. He breeds dogs and chickens. Jesus is working on a Red Pyle Marans which he calls White Copper Marans. Anyway, he used GS Marans as half his foundation flock. He breeds the red pyle and the Black Copper together to continue his White Copper Marans project. Every once and a while, a GS rooster shows up. Make arrangements to buy one of his GS. When it is ready, breed it to your GS pullets from Zullo. You should get some GS (25%) in the get , maybe some BTB (25%) to sell, and some GS with modifiers (50%) which need to be bred out. It may not be possible to tell the diffierence between the pure GS and the GS with modifiers, tho if you have studied the chick down, it is definitive for pure GS and you should be able to tell.
Set up two breeding pens ...one with mostly Zullo genetics and one with mostly LLano genetics and line-breed. In a couple of years, I am sure a new GS strain will pop up and give you a chance to out-cross to a related strain for a bit more diversity.
Be very careful, tho. Remember, GS has no hypostatic genes. In other words, it is based only on the e+ allele carrying the s+ gene in males ; and in females s- gene instead. Any other gene or modifier added to this formula corrupts GS and it disappears , its visage marred or dulled. But the up-side is, once you get pure-breeding GS, the color self-replicates and you can have fun breeding to type. No color balancing needed, yeah!.
GS are most properly not called Gold Duckwing ( they can be called that , however, it is a confusing term which leads to genetic color misunderstanding, so best not to use it). They are not Golden Duckwing ( carries the Silver gene) or Red Duckwing ( carries the Mahogany gene).
The proper names for GS Marans are 1. Golden Salmon Marans. 2. The Black-Breasted cock with the salmon-breasted, stippled hen.
Now about chick down. The most dreadful sign you want to watch for is the brown helmet on the chick instead of the dorsal head stripe which comes up over the top of the head. The helmet denotes the eb (Brown) gene and thus foreign blood, run the other way! The width, brightness, and clarity of the stripes on the back will also tell you if the blood is pure or carrying modifiers. The eye stripe should be clearly and crisply marked, with proper width, length, and hue. There should be no spotting anywhere on the head or neck. Esp. not a pair of 2 dark dots side-by-side on top the head.
Shanks/feet on both sexes should be either white or light yellow as chicks and shading to white with a pinkish cast on both sexes as adults. Anyone who tells you the females can have slaty-black shanks/feet as adults doesn't know their GS genetics and is wrong. Remember this color has no hypostatic genes. Hypostatsic genes cause slaty-black shanks/feet.
About 2 years ago, the French Marans Club established an international commission for breeders of Golden and Silver Salmon Marans aimed at networking, educating about, and promoting these colors. Google Translate does a fine job of translating the French pages. . All the info about the commissiion and contact info is in the Premium Pages of the MOAC. You need to join MOAC and pay an extra $12.00 a year to access the Premium Pages. It is well worth it. I helped set them up and they are a series of excellent articles translated from the French, written by French breeders of Marans. Subjects are on type, incubation, Salmon Marans, the comb, and other worthwhile Marans topics.
Well, that's all . Enjoy your journey on Salmon Marans. I wish you all the best success!
Best Regards,
Karen Tewart in western PA, USA
Waterford English Sussex
Former Director of Archives
Marans of America Club

P.S Regardless of what you decide, do not use GS Marans out of any color except BTB or Golden Salmon lineage. Despite the seeming uneasy genetic alliance between BTB, GS and Wheaton, You will rue the day if you use GS sports from Wheaten ...or Black Copper lineage. They carry modifiers which will haunt you. Also do not use any GS from a cross to another breed, esp. Welsummer. Most likely you will run into autosomal red, Mh and/or yellow legs which will haunt you or set themselves in your flock till they are almost impossible to irradicate.

 

[Lemontea66]

Just so you know Connie has no Marans of any color.

 

[3riverschick]

Just so you know Connie has no Marans of any color.

Ok, then you need to get with someone who got eggs and chicks from her when she had them.
Try Ed Hess [email protected] in Portland, Indiana. He's a great guy, tell him I sent you
. I got eggs from him before and had good results. The big rooster, Alvin, on my webpage is from
one of his GS eggs. I wonder where that lovely GS cock of Connie's went?
Best Regards,
Karen

 

[Lemontea66]

His GS Marans are clean legged. I am looking for French versions. Any other source?

 

[3riverschick]

His GS Marans are clean legged. I am looking for French versions. Any other source?

Feathers can be easily bred in. All you need is a proper feather-legged rooster. It's much more important to get proper females.
If you like Ed's females, get some and then get that feather-legged rooster. Feather-legs should be a minor priority if you can
actually find proper females.

Best,
Karen

 

[3riverschick]

Here's all kinds of notes to work with. Names of breeders who migt know someone. Names of folk who have, or recently sold, GSM.
Who did they sell them too and why? Lots of ideas for research here.

Results of newnan Georgia show a couple fo years ago when Black coppers were recognized by APA.
Maybe some of these folk have ideas on who might have GSM. Google their contact info or look for it at the MCC and MOAC websites.

Connie Zulu won with her cockerel...Black Copper Marans
>> Cocks
>> 1. Charles Logan
>> 2. Audri Crews
>> 3. Audri Crews
>> 4. Chris Davison
>> 5. Dick Dickerson
>> Hens
>> 1. RV Rodney Reeves
>> 2. James Jackson
>> 3. Chris Davison
>> 4. Dave Williams
>> 5. Dick Dickerson
>> Cockerels
>> 1. Connie Zullo
>> 2. Rodney Reeves
>> Pullets
>> 1. BV RB Randy Mashburn
>> 2. Rodney Reeves
>> 3. Randy Mashburn
>> 4. Alecia Albury Copper Blue Marans
>> Cockerel
>> 1. RV Nicol Perry
>> Pullets
>> 1. BV Rodney Reeves
>> 2. Nicol Perry
>> Hens
>> 1. James Jackson
>> 2. James JacksonWheaten Marans
>> Cocks
>> 1. RV Dave Williams
>> 2. Charles Logan
>> 3. Dick Dickerson
>> Hens1. BV, BB, Best Continental!! Mike Brown
>> 2. Dick Dickerson
>> 3. Nicol Perry
>> Pullets
>> 1. Rodney Reeves
>> 2. Rodney Reeves
>> 3. Mike Brown
>> 4. Mike BrownBlue Wheaten Marans
>> Hen
>> 1. BV Dick Dickerson
>> Black Marans
>> Pullet
>> 1. BV Rodney Reeves
>> Cuckoos
>> Cocks
>> 1. Dick Dickerson
>> 2. Dick Dickerson
>> Cockerels
>> 1. RV Rodney Reeves
>> 2. Nicol Perry
>> Pullets
>> 1. BV Rodney Reeves
>> 2. Dave WilliamsSilver Salmon Marans
>> Cockerel
>> 1. Alecia Albury
>> Hens
>> 1. BV Alecia Albury
>> 2. RV Alecia AlburyBlack Tail Buff Marans
>> Cock
>> 1. Tammy Moynihan
>> Hens
>> 1. Randy Mashburn
>> 2. Tammy MoynihanBlue Marans
>> Hens
>> 1. BV James Jackson
>> 2. James Jackson
>> 3. Dick Dickerson*Birchen Marans
>> Cockerel
>> 1. BV Charles Logan*Silver Birchen Marans
>> 1. Rodney Reeves
>> Pullets
>> 1. BV Rodney Reeves
>> 2. Rodney
>> 3. Rodney
>> *These Birchens should have been judged together but apparently because
>> some
>> were labeled Birchen and the others Silver Birchen the judge judged them
>> separately.
>> Rodney Reeves
http://waterfordsussexandmarans.webs.com/apps/photos/

picture essay of Alvin the Ed Hess cock I hatched from an egg I got from Ed.
That I know of, it is the only pictorial essay of a GSM cock on the Net.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/596958/golden-salmon-marans-hen
http://www.bellyacresfarm.net/maran.htm
( these are sports from FL Black Coppers. Not a bad thing but make sure the birds aren't
carrying melanizrs left over from the BCM heritage. Best to buy femaes here.
Males can hide melanizers while looking correct GSM color.)
http://www.featherauction.com/detail.asp?id=1237&n=6-Golden-Salmon-Marans-EggsaSQ
Ask for samples of egg shells on all purchases of eggs. )
http://northmiss.craigslist.org/grq/3137253231.html
Black copper marans chicks and Golden salmon marans chicks - $5 (tupelo)
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We are going to change the direction of our business so we are selling all of our Golden Salmon Marans. I have my current breeders (1 Roo, 3 Hens) they make the prettiest babies. $100 for the set of 4 birds. The roo is only 1 year old and the hens are just now a year old. All laying dark brown eggs and great fertility and hatching rates from this set of birds.
I also have a set I had set aside for next years breeding season. I have 1 Roo and 3 Pullets the pullets will be laying soon. I will sell the set for $75. All are healthy and active birds.
We also have some young roos for sale. These are all pure breed, French Splash marans, golden salman marans, French cukoo marans, RIR, French Black Copper Marans, ect. $6 each for all but the FBCM and those are $8 We also have 2 Wheaton Marans roos for $10 each or take both for $16. All out of great lines. I will give a discount if you buy more than one.
Call or text me at (405)824-98 zero one for more information.
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[BaconNEggsFarm]

Im having the same touble,Id love to add them to my lock of Marans but cant even find help with all the help on this page....Does anyone know anything else?

 

[cowman1970]

I have a small flock of Silver Salmon and Silver Duckwings that I'm working on. I intend to have them all in their own pen later this fall.

 

[cluckcluckluke]

WOW, river chick. You are a wealth of knowledge

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