Got Flogged by A rooster tonight

[al6517]

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I have only had 1 or 2 of my LF cornish get an attitude the rest have been just fine, Genetics is a part but sadly with as much game that has been bred into them from breed inception, it's not an option to breed it out, I find them to be more docile than most other LF breeds. I would much rather retrain him and retain him for his traits.

 

[al6517]

M.sue :

Okieclucking.....You act/think these guys are going into those pens and just looking for a sparring partner because they have nothing else better to do!. They are there to to their job peacefully and go about business as usual. They don't wake up and say, "Gee it's Tues. and I don't have nothing to do so I'm gonna go pick a fight and kick some Roo." They only resort to this method which is the last attempt to get a little respect out of the unruly nasty roo. !

This is what I have been trying in vien to get across to the chicken huggers, Thank's sue.​

 

[al6517]

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Yes, I guess we will. I don't think that hand nurturing is needed to "socialize" a roo, as his social structure doesn't really include humans, nor their affection. His social peers are his flockmates. Humans are merely the food source to a chicken.

wherein all modes of kindness must be dismissed as "coddling"!

One can be kind without cuddling and hand feeding treats to a roo. I'm kind to all my animals and they are kind in return. I'm kind enough to not force my idea of affection onto their life and into their space....one doesn't often see one bird cuddling with another unless they are mother and chicks, or they are beside one another on the roost and I still don't see them offering physical affection there either.

What you call socializing, I call inflicting one's idea of love onto an animal that neither wants it nor requires it. I chicken is quite content to be left alone to just be a chicken...all the other things like jumping up into human's laps or on their shoulders is learned behavior from receiving treats for the action. Even that reward system will not keep a roo from deciding to act like a roo one fine day.​

It has NOTHING to do with "enforcing ideas of love" on the animal, and everything to do with being able to walk into the run and pick up that animal anytime I choose to without having to run him down or suffer a flog! You may choose to interpret any method of socialization other than yours as "coddling" and attaching an emotional quotient to the relationship, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say. I have roosters that I can handle without fear of serious injury, that I can pick up and place in a breeding cage without running a marathon, and that I can medicate, treat for mites, etc., with little stress for me or the roo, and I achieve this with consistency from chickhood on. I get them used to handling regularly, whether it's to have me clip their nails, trim their wings, feed them the occasional treat, or just turn them upside down and "tickle" them (less stressful for them when the face "the cone" eventually). And if this is such a bad thing, all the people I know who show their birds are obviously delusional, since they spend a great deal of time getting their birds, hens and roos alike, used to handling for the show circuit. And as for "cuddling" a roo, it is just one more way to accustom that bird to the idea that I am not a threat to him or his hens when I need to handle them. If the feel of soft feathers and a mushy bird body brings me a moment of pleasure, so what? It is quite apparent from the condition and behavior of my roos that it does them no harm, and it makes me smile. I'm selfish enough to not give one flip whether anyone else thinks it's "appropriate" or not, as long as my birds are good with it.

Would you mind telling us what breed of chickens you raise, so we can get a better idea of what your dealing with.

 

[M.sue]

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[Beekissed]

Gee, Al...you could have at least kept one or two foofoo chickens for your roo to land on after you booted him to the moon!

Personally, I find that keeping a foofoo or two around keeps my eggs cleaner.

 

[M.sue]

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This is what I have been trying in vien to get across to the chicken huggers, Thank's sue.

Your welcome!!

 

[al6517]

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We are having a rational discusion on roosters who have attitudes, we have discussed prevention and how to defend against it and all sorts of things and also tried to keep it on the lighter side for those of us who understand. ...

 

[al6517]

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Yer a mess Bee.... a plum Mess I tell Ya...........

Now you show up after we were verbaly assaulted by a peta hugger, we coulda used yer help ya know...

BTW Bee I fed the Hulk some cracked corn this afternoon and said it was from you with love, he smiled and said thanks, then kept eating.

 

[centrarchid]

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I have only had 1 or 2 of my LF cornish get an attitude the rest have been just fine, Genetics is a part but sadly with as much game that has been bred into them from breed inception, it's not an option to breed it out, I find them to be more docile than most other LF breeds. I would much rather retrain him and retain him for his traits.

I must respectifully dissagree. You can breed manfighting out even if games figure heavily into background of your birds. I have American games and the manfighting trait is almost nonexistant. Manfighting in games is major no-no. When detected the bird is promptly culled from breeding flock and relatives are scrutenized closely for same attribute. Sometimes a parent and siblings also culled to prevent its progation. This can be done without compromising gameness, therefore it should be possible to do same for your flock without compromising production characteristics and appearance. If all roosters in flock are prone manfight, then gives those that do it least higher marks if all else they are measured by is equal. This will take generations but you are already well versed in that with respect to your other selection interest.


I have an ongoing dominique project where American game is being incorporated into a line to enhance feathering and free-range qualities. The F1 are intermediate in respect to gameness. I will be selecting, without dilution with more dominique, for less gameness. I could just as easily go other way, again without dilution by the addtion of more game.

 

[Minniechickmama]

The only adult I had come after me in any way was this one Dark Cornish. However, I had some Bantam White Frizzles who were the nastiest little ********s you can imagine from the time they were hatched. I bought them from a very good breeder and brought them home. I felt the need to separate them into their own brooder since they were the only bantams at the time. Every time I put my hand in that brooder to feed and water, they came after my hands with feet first! I am talking little spitfires that were less than a week old!! I ended up putting down the 3 I thought were the only aggressive ones, and then the 4th one that they had pecked almost featherless started in when they were gone. I still have him, and he is a moron, but the only one I have for my two windblown pullets. Now, even they keep him half featherless. Don't ask me why I have kept them, it is just one of those things.