GRAPHIC PICS of my day learning to caponize

@Rose - I'm just on here trying to learn like everyone else. My biggest hindrance right now is no roosters to operate on to evaluate the instruments. I have made a few of the snares and sent them out to a couple of posters on this page who have surgeries in the near future to get their feedback. I would eventually like to put together individual instruments and a kit as well as a detailed guide in the form of a wall chart with clear instructions, good photos and drawings to ease the learning curve.

Right now, if you search this thread for "chinese" you should find info on where people are getting the Chinese tools that include a retractor and a removal tool. I've not seen them up close so I can't really give you anymore information.

If you want to put together a kit like mine, you can order the scalpel and either a small Weitlaner or Heiss retractor from ebay. You can get the pick on ebay as well or at Harbor Freight. A snare can be made with lots of different materials from straws and coffee stirrers to metal tubes from Hobby Lobby for the tube and fishing line or wire for the loop. I believe the Chinese tool doesn't use a tube but just a string attached to the end of an elevator-like instrument.

The cheap Heiss retractor I pictured in my first post worked o.k. but the skin tends to slip up over the top of the instrument. I modified mine earlier this week to add projecting pads to the jaws as shown in these photos. The ideas is that the smooth jaws go between the ribs and the skin is trapped below the serrated jaws. This was a quick fix to see how it works. Eventually I hope to find an off the shelf unit that works well or I'll make custom jaws and remove the original jaws entirely and replace them. Sorry about the photo quality. I just snapped these with my phone since I happened to have the tool in my briefcase.







Once I get feedback on the snares from some "power" users, I may offer some for sale in the classifieds section. It's hard to tell if there is really enough interest in the subject to put together a professional kit and instructions versus just sharing info and helping people build their own.

If you would like to talk about a custom solution or other off topic info feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do to help.

**Edited to replace photos with tighter crops and address to right poster!
 
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I have 2 1-year-old roos I want to keep around, they're awesome boys, but I don't want them breeding. Is it too late to caponize? Easier or harder? Any difference in fully mature anatomy? Thanks!

(ps - the thought of either of these boys going broody someday makes me want to go through with it that much more! They're super submissive already, very affectionate, and totally laid back! And they're GIANT turken roosters to boot!
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I couldn't filter through the 201 pages of this thread to find if someone has asked this yet so pardon if it is a repeat question :)

I am very interested in learning to caponize. I have experience with both impacted crop and bumblefoot surgeries. What I am curious about is how the caponizing surgery compares to these types of surgery. More/less complicated? More, quite a bit more. It can be unnerving. As long as you are in the right place the testis is quite visable, but you are still inside of the bird.

What are things I should be expecting that are different (aside from the obvious like size of patient and location of surgery). Maybe someone else can expand on this one, but the texture of the testes of an older roo are quite a bit more fragile.

I've always glued my incisions shut on birds. Is there a reason I should not do this when caponizing? You can, it's just not always necessary. The wing provides protection and stretching the skin allows for the cavity incision to be away from the incision in the skin.
Thanks and I appreciate any additional info you have :)
 
Out of three this morning, I have a still-cockerel, one half-capon, and I may have a full capon! At the very least, he'll be a barely-slip. The first teste came out with no issue, but the second broke into three pieces - I hope it was only three pieces, at least. All three survived the surgery. We'll celebrate tonight by having ... chicken. One of the red broilers from last week.
 
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@Rose - I'm just on here trying to learn like everyone else. My biggest hindrance right now is no roosters to operate on to evaluate the instruments. I have made a few of the snares and sent them out to a couple of posters on this page who have surgeries in the near future to get their feedback. I would eventually like to put together individual instruments and a kit as well as a detailed guide in the form of a wall chart with clear instructions, good photos and drawings to ease the learning curve. Right now, if you search this thread for "chinese" you should find info on where people are getting the Chinese tools that include a retractor and a removal tool. I've not seen them up close so I can't really give you anymore information. If you want to put together a kit like mine, you can order the scalpel and either a small Weitlaner or Heiss retractor from ebay. You can get the pick on ebay as well or at Harbor Freight. A snare can be made with lots of different materials from straws and coffee stirrers to metal tubes from Hobby Lobby for the tube and fishing line or wire for the loop. I believe the Chinese tool doesn't use a tube but just a string attached to the end of an elevator-like instrument. The cheap Heiss retractor I pictured in my first post worked o.k. but the skin tends to slip up over the top of the instrument. I modified mine earlier this week to add projecting pads to the jaws as shown in these photos. The ideas is that the smooth jaws go between the ribs and the skin is trapped below the serrated jaws. This was a quick fix to see how it works. Eventually I hope to find an off the shelf unit that works well or I'll make custom jaws and remove the original jaws entirely and replace them. Sorry about the photo quality. I just snapped these with my phone since I happened to have the tool in my briefcase. Once I get feedback on the snares from some "power" users, I may offer some for sale in the classifieds section. It's hard to tell if there is really enough interest in the subject to put together a professional kit and instructions versus just sharing info and helping people build their own. If you would like to talk about a custom solution or other off topic info feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do to help. **Edited to replace photos with tighter crops and address to right poster!
Thank you so much Neuport!!! I am beginning to better understand not only the process, but the tools. I appreciate so much your pictures, and explanation of why modifications were necessary. I definitely have everything to make a snare. I probably have enough to make everyone on BYC a snare, lol. I am going to go through my tools to see what I have, and what I need. My sister used to be an operating room nurse, and I have a few tools she gave me. I don't have a retractor, so your pictures really help me. Thank you again for taking so much time to post pictures along with excellent information - and pointing me in the right direction to acquire tools:) Rose
 
I have 2 1-year-old roos I want to keep around, they're awesome boys, but I don't want them breeding. Is it too late to caponize? Easier or harder? Any difference in fully mature anatomy? Thanks!

(ps - the thought of either of these boys going broody someday makes me want to go through with it that much more! They're super submissive already, very affectionate, and totally laid back! And they're GIANT turken roosters to boot!
lau.gif
)

Adult roos are MUCH MUCH harder to do. Their testes are about the size of their head (only a slight exaggeration) there are only a very few (one or two) people I know that have been successful w/ fully caponized and live. The blood vessels around it are bigger, the teste cannot be grabbed it has to be looped out and is hard to get out of the inscision b/c of size, it is more fragile then the smaller ones too. So yes it can be done, the big difficulty will be finding someone close who has been successful, and it is NOT a procedure I would recommend for a first time caponizer.
 
Out of three this morning, I have a still-cockerel, one half-capon, and I may have a full capon! At the very least, he'll be a barely-slip. The first teste came out with no issue, but the second broke into three pieces - I hope it was only three pieces, at least. All three survived the surgery. We'll celebrate tonight by having ... chicken. One of the red broilers from last week.

Congrats, your plugging away is reaping results
 
Most of us have used those before getting the Chinese retractors, they work better then most, but the 4.5 size not the 6.5

Thank you Kassaundra.
Neuport also mentioned Chinese retractors. I'm sorry to be so ignorant, but the only way to gain knowledge is to ask: How do I find Chinese retractors? Neuport suggested I search this thread, which I did. The few links were too old, and I got 'page no longer available'. I am going to go to eBay right now and do a 'Chinese retractors' search. If anyone knows somewhere different to get them, I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction.
Rose
 

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