"Grass fed" Cornish?

So ... I was talking to an official chicken expert the other day ... and she said if we were to consider doing the CX broilers we should treat them entirely differently than our egg flock. She suggests not letting them move around too much or they'll be too tough to eat. She also said they must be kept very calm and in completely stable environment. So now I'm thinking a barn arrangement instead of a broiler sled over grass. Argh. Sometimes advice is so confusing!

Has anyone here raised CX both ways? And if so, which way "tasted" better? Which way was more successful in terms of getting the maximum number of birds to maturity?

An official chicken expert...hmmmm...sure would like to see one of those. I heard they no longer existed.
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They all taste like chicken, of that I can assure you. The birds raised more naturally will have more texture to their meat but are not "too tough to eat". Being penned into tight living conditions does not create calm or stable in chicken terms, which is why you will see posts on here where CX are cannibalizing one another when they are raised in that manner.

I have never, nor would ever, raise any chicken where they could not move around too much, so I have no perspective from that viewpoint...but you have only to read about them in this section. They die of "flip"~whatever the heck that means....I guess when a man falls to the ground in heart failure we should start calling that "flip", it sounds so much more appealing than cardiac infarct.

They develop leg deformities and weakness, even sustain broken legs from the fast growth and little exercise from confinement type setups. They even develop gangrene along their keel bone from the pressure of lying down all the time due to their immobility issues. They also develop gangrene in the deepest muscle tissue of the breast due to merely flapping their wings, which should be a normal chicken occurrence, but can spell disaster for these birds because their muscles are undeveloped from inactivity. They have blisters and abscesses that develop on their breasts due to lying down too much. They have dirty, scant feathering due to growing too fast and lying down too much.

The people who raise chickens in boxes on the ground(pastured, but not really) or in other confinement situations will claim that the CX is "too lazy" to forage and will literally eat themselves to death by lying by the feeder, unable to stand but still eating from the feeder. That "too lazy to forage" is a common fallacy that they really want to believe so they can justify raising the birds in this manner, but it's a big ol' fat lie. The CX forage better than any bird I've ever raised in the past 36 years because they are hungrier...a hungry bird is a foraging bird.

If you don't believe that, I have the video to prove it.

Confinement raisers will try to convince you that losing 5-20% of the CX to sudden or unknown causes of death is "normal" for this breed and that you shouldn't feel bad or worry if they just die that way. It's not normal, let me assure you. There are many out there raising these birds like they raise their free ranged layers and have no losses whatsoever.

Raising them in your back yard, confined to a small space and feeding the same feeds and amounts they feed commercially will only get you a bird that performs, looks,dies/lives and stinks just like a factory made bird...but it will be in your back yard. It would be cheaper just to buy it at the store because you will be eating the same quality of meat and the bird will have suffered the same life. No one wins in that situation.

As to the last question, the free ranged or paddock raised CX fed on a restricted diet will get more birds to maturity/butchering age than will confinement setups. And, yes, you can raise them alongside your layers with a few minor adjustments to the feeding setup. You can even feed them on what your layers eat without problems occurring.
 
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That "too lazy to forage" is a common fallacy that they really want to believe so they can justify raising the birds in this manner, but it's a big ol' fat lie. The CX forage better than any bird I've ever raised in the past 36 years because they are hungrier...a hungry bird is a foraging bird.

If you don't believe that, I have the video to prove it.

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As to the last question, the free ranged or paddock raised CX fed on a restricted diet will get more birds to maturity/butchering age than will confinement setups. And, yes, you can raise them alongside your layers with a few minor adjustments to the feeding setup. You can even feed them on what your layers eat without problems occurring.
Awesome informations! Thank you so much for taking the time to write it up for me. It would be VASTLY easier for me to raise these birds the same as all the rest than it would be to develop a whole new setup for them! We've got plenty of space here. What we lack is decent forage at the moment and I'm working to resolve that for the laying flock.

I'll have a poke around here to see if I can find details about the "few minor adjustments" and "restricted diet" you mention above. I'm sure I'll have more questions. If I do raise CX, I'd want to be very careful with them ... it sounds like they already have it rough enough.

I'd love to see your video. Can you post a link?

Thank you again.
 
I can do you one better....I'll post you several threads you may find interesting:


https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...have-a-rooster-raising-50-cx-chicks-new-batch

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/644300/fermenting-feed-for-meat-birds

The most valuable thread you will ever read on BYC..seriously:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...l-up-a-rockin-chair-and-lay-some-wisdom-on-us

And the promised video or two:



Those minor adjustments would merely be not feeding continuous feed to your flock, as the CX will prefer the easy food to foraged foods. You can feed once or twice daily to keep this from being a problem. If feeding once, do it in the evening...this will encourage more foraging throughout the day. Most folks do it twice a day when not feeding a continuous feed. Your layer flock will benefit from this feeding style as well because the same thing applies to them...if they have easy food on hand, what is the incentive to hunt for the healthier and more natural proteins and carbs found in nature?

Also, you need to feed the meaties in separate feeder a little ways from your layer feeder and always feed them first. Then feed the layers. The CX will swarm over the feeder like locusts and will push out the layers if you try to feed them in the same place or in the same feeders.

CX will require more water and a less messy delivery, so you might as well invest in some cheap poultry nipples and mount them to 5 gal. buckets for your flock..it will make your life~and theirs~easier in the long run. Feeding fermented feeds will drastically cut down on the need for excessive water for your CX but they still consume more than the average layer bird.

Hope all that helps! Good luck with your meaty birds!
 
I watched the first video. I love the coop, I love the pasture, I love the look of the birds. If the birds taste as good as they look ... !!!

Thanks for filtering through the links for me. I have some reading to do!
 
I did a comparison experiment this summer I plan to write up in its own thread. The most efficient use of resources balanced with a decent life for the birds, with the best growth rate, is the broiler pen. This is by far the best system for someone with limited acreage available to them, because you utilize every inch of forage available in the most efficient manner. The least efficient and the one with the lowest growth rates was full free range, although the birds certainly had a lot of fun. The best balance was a day range shelter surrounded by electric poultry netting. You get good use of the pasture resources available through control, while still allowing enough freedom for happy birds. The birds put on better weight than total free range, although not quite as much as the broiler pen. I also found it to be the least labor intensive method. If you work it right and have enough netting, you can just park the shelter and let them range within the netting for the full duration of their approximate 5 weeks on pasture, if you keep them in the brooder for 3. Although, you would need to use some sort of bedding in this scenario.

My free range did mix with my growing pullets, and while they did well foraging (better than advertised), I couldn't say they forage as well as my heritage breeds.

I also fed my birds free choice, and restricted feed 12 on 12 off for at least part of their growth. There were losses but it was more from the up to 114 degree temps than growth rates. The only leg problems they had were my fault.

You shouldn't just go by what you read here, though. You should read the following books, plus consider joining the APPPA and reading back issues of GRIT! That, and play with your system till if fits your needs. You will need to find a balance between the amount of freedom, level of work, and growth rates that work best for you.

My favorite pastured poultry books:
Humane and Healthy Poultry Production: a manual for organic growers, by Karma Gloss.
Free Range Poultry Production & Marketing, by Herman Beck-Chenoweth.
Day Range Poultry: Every Chicken Owner's Guide to Grazing Gardens & Improving Pastures, by Andy Lee.
Pastured Poultry Profits, by Joel Salatin.
Chicken Tractor: The Permaculture Guide to Happy Hens and Healthy Soil, by Andy Lee.

You can get any of these books at your local library through interlibrary loan.
 
I really don't call mine anything like that. I just called mine free range...in the truest sense of the word. I guess that grass-fed sounds a little more palatable than marketing chickens as "bug-fed" or "worm-fed".
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Haha! Well, I suppose if people don't want to eat something that eats garbage, carrion, and insects they should eat "grass-fed" beef or lamb instead of chickens or pigs! People are so dumb sometimes...
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I refuse to cater to the idiots, and prefer to tell it like it is... People need to become more informed about food!
 
The closer you confine Cornish Cross, and the more they are crowded together, the more you risk health issues.

There are lots of us here on BYC who do not have health issues with our Cornish Cross chickens. What we all have in common is that the birds have plenty of space to move around and the birds have access to sunshine and fresh air.

Other than that, we vary in our feeding methods and type of feed. Some birds have more space and some have less space, but they all move around every day as much as they want to.

My Cornish Cross do not have the same texture as store bought chickens, but you can cut the meat with a fork. So, the meat is not tough. Flavor is much better than store bought.
 
Mine too. My CX have more of the flavor of the DP birds..a rich, nutty flavor, unlike store bought. All the talk about the flavor of my CX made me hungry yesterday, so I'm cooking up a pot of chicken noodle soup today and ate some of the meat yesterday as my supper. Didn't need anything along with it to make it a delicious repast. Just the chicken....soooooo good.
 
An "official Chicken Expert"? as in commercial broiler raising official chicken expert? Because that is basically what she is talking about, how the big commercial chicken farmers do it.

Alot of people on here raise their Cornish Cross in tractors on pasture that they move everyday. If this produced a chicken too tough to eat, then these wise people here on BYC would not do it that way. Their money is too valuable for them to waste it to raise meat that is too tough to eat.
 

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