Guardian dog neuter

yup - apply some though love - they all do get over it

better listen to what the vet says here - infections can be nasty and the dogs don't know that, so it is our job to know better this time

not sure about the age thing, but we did both our pups at 5 months (brother and sister) to prevent unwanted breeding - they are Maremmas and huhge (large dogs, ~100lbs.) - and ours are fine so far - the male is growing up fine (he is actually already over the weight limit for his breed at 15 months and he is supposed to mature at 18 months or so), and I am glad I do not have to deal with any extra aggression along the way

working dogs after their spay and neuter:
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Veterinarians and other "experts" will tell you with a straight face that it makes no difference to the dog if you cut his nads off..... Some will actually say it improves the dogs overall health.... I find that particularly outrageous. Sometimes you have to neuter a dog but to say it makes no difference is a little disrespectful of biology in general. In fact, the testes produce alot of important hormones and are involved in the overall endocrine balance throughout the dogs body.... saying it is no problem is ignorant. It can be a big problem. Cushings disease... weight gain, a whole host of secondary problems that keep vets in business treating all the side effects of there neuterings... If it is so beneficial, why don't we do it to our kids? It is not. I bring my dog in for his shots and we look around the waiting room and the damage wreaked by unnecessary spay and neuter is the main driver in veterinary practices... and i know it is wrong to let your animals breed irresponsibly, but there are other ways to prevent that without butchering their endocrine system.
 
Female dogs often get life threatening uterine infections if not spayed. I've seen plenty. Also, mammary tumors are common in unspayed dogs, and almost unheard of in dogs that were spayed early. (By 6-9 months or before the first heat) Male dogs can get testicular cancer, and obviously, if you remove the testes, this won't occur. Weigh the risks with the benefits. Weight gain? Common, but just cut back a bit on the food and exercise. Simple fix. I personally believe the benefits greatly outweigh the risks.
 
Female dogs often get life threatening uterine infections if not spayed. I've seen plenty. Also, mammary tumors are common in unspayed dogs, and almost unheard of in dogs that were spayed early. (By 6-9 months or before the first heat) Male dogs can get testicular cancer, and obviously, if you remove the testes, this won't occur. Weigh the risks with the benefits. Weight gain? Common, but just cut back a bit on the food and exercise. Simple fix. I personally believe the benefits greatly outweigh the risks.

Well, I would not argue about female dogs.... the research is less conclusive. The benefit of no pregnancy is a tough one to outweigh. I have done both neutered/spayed and unneutered/unspayed and for the male dogs, the unneutered ones were so much healthier later in life, it was like night and day. The females too in my experience although I do not doubt what you say about the plumbing problems.
I get it.... Sometimes you have to neuter a male dog, but most times, it is not really necessary and is done because the vet tells you it is a good idea....It would be far better if Vets would learn how to do vasectomies.... That would be a useful thing but there is no money in it, and because the animal retains it's health later in life, no repeat business.

Let's face it, castration is something that is commonly done on the farm... why is that?
Well first of all, you know the animal is not going to live that long. He is going to be made into burgers or pork chops.... so long term health is not a concern.... so then, what benefit is castration? Well, it makes them put on weight much more rapidly, their muscles do not develop normally and they are more tender. You do it to fatten up and tenderize a farm animal.... why would you do that to your best friend?

My male dog is 11 years old, lean, healthy, active. He runs, jumps, does everything. His littermate, his brother, lives across the road. He was neutered when young. That dog is smaller, considerably wider, fatter, and has a host of medical issues. Putting him on a diet will not fix what is ailing him. People say weight gain can be combatted by diet, that is not true. This weight gain from endocrine imbalance is a outward sign of other terrible things going on inside the dogs system.

For my dog, if he gets testicular cancer at this point, I would remove them. But that whole testicular cancer thing is a red herring.... how often does that happen? And if it does, what other situations were avoided? I take it you have heard of Cushings Syndrome... Diabetes..... all these crazy things they are diagnosing in neutered dogs, that you never see in unneutered animals. And starving the poor victim to make him lose weight (after you gutted his endocrine system) seems a little callous. My dog eats what he wants. As he should.

Cushings is related to neutering. Vets will deny it, then if you ask them if they ever saw it in an unneutered animal they have to think for a minute.... , Truth is Vets don't see nearly as many unneutered animals. The waiting room at my vet is packed with the victims of veterinary butchering. People don't think about the terrible things they do to their best friend, all on the advice of a veterinarian who never bothers to really look and see the evidence that parades through their examination room on a daily basis. And there is no shortage of people with apparently low observation skills, who say it is no problem at all.
 
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happyfrenchman, thanks for your comments!

what's done is done

and not everything is a conspiracy

but it does pay to use one's head and you got me lots to think about for our next dog!

How do you feel about behavioral effects of the neuter? I know you can say that it is better to train than to alter the animal, but there are practical limits - I can't train desire to breed out of a dog and do you think the animal is happier when he does not want to breed compared to wanting to breed and being constrained and denied at every turn? Doesn't that come at a cost, too? Maybe not in physical disease but in emotional dis-ease.

In our situation, I am glad our dog is not more aggressive and bent on breeding than he is with the neuter - he still hops on his sister when they play and such, but if he was not neutered, I would think there would be a lot more for him to deal with, and for us, trying to prevent him from following his nature and getting out after stray dogs or canines in heat when he is supposed to guard our livestock instead. Selfish of us? To some degree, but the dog also incurs a risk if he gets out to follow his nature: he would be frustrated if the fence can't be negotiated or may get run over on the road or come to harm following a female in heat - and for what? We do not need puppies from him. Neither do the stray dogs, etc. So maybe better for him, too?

My aunt had an entire dog and he would go nuts every time the females went into heat in his neighborhood and hop all the people in the family to get relief. You must have entire dogs. How do yours do?
 
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happyfrenchman, thanks for your comments!

what's done is done

and not everything is a conspiracy

but it does pay to use one's head and you got me lots to think about for our next dog!
I have an unneutered Australian Shepherd... the smartest, gentlest dog I have ever known... he never roams... he is non aggressive...although he is aggressive with home defense and flock protection (he has killed raccoons). He lives with a female schnoodle who is also unspayed. She is normal weight and activity. (She is 5) People comment on how thin she is but she is really just her normal healthy weight. When she goes into heat, (about every 6 months, we have to watch them. But nothing exceptional.... they have their own lives and they are somewhat sexual but nothing that could lead to pregnancy. Mechanically it is harder for the larger Shepherd to actually mate with the little schnoodle... but he pays her alot of attention....

Usually, veterinarians will unhesitatingly tell you it is for the health of the animal to get it fixed. That it makes no difference to the animal. (I find that absolutely outrageous)... Then if you question them, they might admit some of this... I think that is even more outrageous. Truly.

If a dog is being aggressive, it might decrease that (not always). Dogs that insist on roaming.... (although again it seems to not always decrease that either).... People are more comfortable doing whatever they are told by the "experts". And insist on it being a harmless procedure. I used to listen to them myself.... Start looking around for yourself. ... You will see what I am talking about.
 
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Hm, ok

Don't be too hard on people - they don't always mean harm, often just follow the herd like lemmings and don't think about it until asked to think

I guess there is a big push from animal shelters etc. to spay and neuter

after what you told me, I will evaluate the next dog, to see how he does with being entire, if we get another one - if he comes from a shelter, I probably won't have a choice

my mom also had a German Shepard when I was very young - and I think back then it was not the norm to neuter every dog - and he was entire, too - but he also had a hard time with his drive at times - I remember him using his dog bed as a female and I felt a bit sorry for him - maybe it did not bother him at all - but it seems to me that it can be hard on them to be driven to breed and try to make that happen all the time, and be stopped all the time - the fixed dogs seem much less bothered to me and I would consider that a plus for their happiness, given the way we want them to live
 
Well, I would not argue about female dogs.... the research is less conclusive. The benefit of no pregnancy is a tough one to outweigh. I have done both neutered/spayed and unneutered/unspayed and for the male dogs, the unneutered ones were so much healthier later in life, it was like night and day. The females too in my experience although I do not doubt what you say about the plumbing problems.
I get it.... Sometimes you have to neuter a male dog, but most times, it is not really necessary and is done because the vet tells you it is a good idea....It would be far better if Vets would learn how to do vasectomies.... That would be a useful thing but there is no money in it, and because the animal retains it's health later in life, no repeat business.

Let's face it, castration is something that is commonly done on the farm... why is that?
Well first of all, you know the animal is not going to live that long. He is going to be made into burgers or pork chops.... so long term health is not a concern.... so then, what benefit is castration? Well, it makes them put on weight much more rapidly, their muscles do not develop normally and they are more tender. You do it to fatten up and tenderize a farm animal.... why would you do that to your best friend?

My male dog is 11 years old, lean, healthy, active. He runs, jumps, does everything. His littermate, his brother, lives across the road. He was neutered when young. That dog is smaller, considerably wider, fatter, and has a host of medical issues. Putting him on a diet will not fix what is ailing him. People say weight gain can be combatted by diet, that is not true. This weight gain from endocrine imbalance is a outward sign of other terrible things going on inside the dogs system.

For my dog, if he gets testicular cancer at this point, I would remove them. But that whole testicular cancer thing is a red herring.... how often does that happen? And if it does, what other situations were avoided? I take it you have heard of Cushings Syndrome... Diabetes..... all these crazy things they are diagnosing in neutered dogs, that you never see in unneutered animals. And starving the poor victim to make him lose weight (after you gutted his endocrine system) seems a little callous. My dog eats what he wants. As he should.

Cushings is related to neutering. Vets will deny it, then if you ask them if they ever saw it in an unneutered animal they have to think for a minute.... , Truth is Vets don't see nearly as many unneutered animals. The waiting room at my vet is packed with the victims of veterinary butchering. People don't think about the terrible things they do to their best friend, all on the advice of a veterinarian who never bothers to really look and see the evidence that parades through their examination room on a daily basis. And there is no shortage of people with apparently low observation skills, who say it is no problem at all.
People with horses are the same way. They are seriously afraid of testicles for some reason. I have a stallion that was a year and a half old when I got him, still lived with his mother (and he was old enough to breed at a year old), and when we got him, we got them both, well, the mare would go ballistic if we tried to separate them and would run straight through the fences to get to him, so he was with her until he was 2 and we finally got her to allow him to be in a separate field. She never got pregnant from living with him, and neither did the other females at the farm he was at when I got him.

I have kept him with geldings (castrated males) his entire life without any problems, he plays with them, shares food with them, can be handled by children... He's not the monster that people think of when they think of stallions.. And why are stallions that way? Because people take them away from their mother at 6 months old and they are never allowed contact with another horse for the rest of their life. They are also generally kept in a stall 24 hours a day because it's pretty hard to have a separate field for each stallion with double fencing (something else people insist on) to keep the horses from being able to touch over the fence.

My stallion is currently with 1 gelding and with 4 geldings across the fence from him, he stands in that corner and the other herd comes up to visit. When I bring him in the barn where the others are, he wants to stop and sniff noses with the other boys but he never tries to fight them even though I have one that HATES him and will scream and bite his face if he gets in range but he never even lays his ears back in return....
 

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