Had to take my hen to the vet today, still don't know what's wrong with her.

[casportpony]

Well, the vet called me and I asked her about de-worming my hens.
This is what she told me:
She does not routinely recommend de-worming because of where we live.
She does not worm her hens.
She also wants to keep the 'sick' hen where it is warm for another few days or so.
Not a problem, I like having her inside.

Oh the debate of deworming!

I went to pick up lay mash and talked with my feed supplier.
He recommended worming the hens with Tramasol, being that the whole flock of 4 are a bit thin.
So I went to the local vet supply store and got some Tramasol.
Now I want opinions on this before I dose the hens.
I'm off to the internet to get information on this stuff.
Also got some electrolytes to add to their water.

Tramisol is Levamisole. Here is something I found about it's withdrawal.


Poult Sci. 2005 Jan;84(1):9-13.
Levamisole residues in chicken tissues and eggs.

El-Kholy H, Kemppainen BW.
Source

Department of Anatomy, Physiology and Pharmacology, College of Veterinary Medicine, Auburn University, Alabama 36849, USA.
Abstract

Levamisole is currently being used to treat capillaria infection in chickens even though there is no published withdrawal information available for levamisole in chickens. Tissue residue withdrawal of levamisole in chickens was studied in 32 healthy broiler breeder chickens at the age of 32 wk (peak of egg production). Levamisole residues in chicken tissues, eggs, and plasma were determined by HPLC with ultraviolet (UV) detection at 225 nm. The highest level of residue and longest withdrawal after oral administration of 40 mg/kg levamisole to chickens was in the liver. On d 3 the level of levamisole were undetectable in the plasma. On d 9, levamisole residue in eggs was 0.096 microg/g and on d 18 it was 0.06 microg/g or less in all the analyzed chicken tissues. Those levels were lower than the recommended maximum residue limit (MRL). The withdrawal time for levamisole in chickens was longer than for other species tested, which is due in part to a larger dose of levamisole being recommended for chickens. In conclusion from this research, 9 d are needed for levamisole in eggs to be less than the MRL, and 18 d of withdrawal are needed before medicated birds are slaughtered if their tissues are to be safe for human consumption.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15685936

 

[casportpony]

Well you are claiming that only the vet should supervise what off label med you can use. Again, Safeguard doesn't eliminate the amount of worms some other wormers do which is what the original question was derived from. You showed interest in the better wormer , so I offered information on it. You just wanted to justify using a less effective wormer.
I know that albendazole is a broader spectrum wormer, but Safeguard is easier to get if one just wants to run to the feed store. That was what started all of this. Since I had never heard of Wormazole, I just wanted to know what it was. I personally won't use a product that is not properly labeled with active ingredients, mfg date code, lot number and mg/ml or mg/gram.

Fine by me. I've received some good and bad info from vets.
I have, too. However, fenbendazole 50mg/kg is not bad info.

It was my desire to educate myself over the years, in addition to that, which has helped me save much money in the long run.
As we all should.

BTW, the Enfloxil 10%
Yes, I know. It is also made as 5% and 2.27%.

is 1/4 cc in the breast muscle of the bird. 100 ml goes a long way.
On what size bird? 1 pound? 5 pound? 10 pound? 30 pound? One should *always* weigh their animal and dose it according to it's weight. For birds, I dose at 15-20mg/kg. Cats are should *never* get more than 5mg/kg as it can cause blindness. And did you know that enrofloxacin can cause injection site reactions? Yes, it can be given IM, but many suggest it be given SC in a bolus of fluid or orally.

From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook.

 

[casportpony]

More on Levamisole





Source: http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/avmed/cam/09_therapeutic_agents.pdf

 

[casportpony]

I don't think I would use Tramisol without the blessing of a vet. It doesn't seem as safe as most wormers.

From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook

 

[centrarchid]

If this is an actual worm issue then time is not something sick bird has a lot of. If bird allowed to decline too much, then de-worming itself will deliver the final blow to bird regardless of agent used.

 

[casportpony]

If this is an actual worm issue then time is not something sick bird has a lot of. If bird allowed to decline too much, then de-worming itself will deliver the final blow to bird regardless of agent used.

Maybe, but some wormers seem like they are safer than others. FWIW, I would never worm a *really* sick bird and not provide proper supportive care. See post number 9.

 

[Etw321]

Apple cider vinegar. It's a natural dewormer. It makes their poo awful for a few days but TOTALLY works

 

[casportpony]

Here is the albendazole info from Plumb's

 

[centrarchid]

Maybe, but some wormers seem like they are safer than others. FWIW, I would never worm a *really* sick bird and not provide proper supportive care. See post number 9.

Many times I have dealt with a sick bird but occasionally through poor husbandry waited to point where it was really sick and required "supportive" care. One of my objectives now is preventing bird from becoming really sick by prompt and proper treatment. Closer observation and a little experience will enable detection of many health issues by simply casual observation so you can usually pre-empt serious health challenges.

 

[casportpony]

Many times I have dealt with a sick bird but occasionally through poor husbandry waited to point where it was really sick and required "supportive" care. One of my objectives now is preventing bird from becoming really sick by prompt and proper treatment. Closer observation and a little experience will enable detection of many health issues by simply casual observation so you can usually pre-empt serious health challenges.

Been there, done that, too. Now I watch my peafowl and turkeys like a hawk and if I notice *any* odd behavior I'll weigh them. If they have lost weight, or haven't gained, I know there is a problem and they get treated accordingly. I'll be honest, I'm not as good about the chickens, but I can usually tell when there is a problem. Unfortunately, I have Marek's in my flock, so I do see a lot of that, but there's nothing I can do for them.