Hands on hatching and help

[julieholt]

Good luck

So malpositioned pippers can and usually take longer to hatch because they are skipping a step (internal pip) in hatching. Many can hatch themselves, some will need assisting. My process for helping is this:
Have: tweezers, water, q-tips or cotton balls. Also helpful is vaseline or non pain relief neosporin.

I start with chipping away some of the shell around the pip hole. Moisten the exposed membrane being careful not to get any water in the chicks nose. If there are no prominent veins in the membrane you can peel that back as well. If there is veining or blood (which is often the case, especially at the bottom of the egg) moisten the membrane, if you have the vaseline of neosporin rub a very light coat over the exposed membrane and leave the egg in the bator and give it more time. The vaseline/neosporin will help to keep the membrane from drying out. Then in an hour or two you can try again, but always stop if there is blood/veins and give it more time. If the membrane is clear of blood/veining you can proceed to remove shell and repeat the processs of moistening the membrane and pulling it back. I usually do as much as I can to remove the shell around the head so that the head is clear of the shell and then I put the egg and chick back in to rest and see if it can progress from there. Sometimes they do and sometimes I will have to do a full assist and remove the shell completely to allow the chick to come out. A lot of it depends on the positioning. The important thing is to stop when there is bleeding/blood and give it more time for that vascular system to shut down. If you get a bleeder, you can dab a little cornstartch on it to stop the bleeding before you replace it to the bator.

Make sure that the humidity is up and stays up in the bator during this process so the other pippers don't get dried out. I keep wet sponges in my bator to aid with this and rewet them as neccessary. Hope this helps some. If you have any questions or need further explaination, just let us know.

Thank you this was a great deal easier to understand

 

[AmyLynn2374]

Everyone should read this:
http://www.audubon.org/news/the-art-hatching-egg-explained

-Kathy

Very interesting. I note that it fails to make reference to one "fact" that I have read in other "studies", and that is that the prompting for the chick to progress from internal pip to external pip being from build up of co2 in the egg. I have read in other places that this build up causes the "spasms" that chicks go through to start the external pipping process.

I wonder what made him interested in how the egg is turned and when it turns from pointed end to blunt end and the overal relevance of the positioning when it's laid.

When I have more time I will read through the article more completely as I skimmed through the parts that went on about other species focusing primarily on the chicken related info.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

Thank you this was a great deal easier to understand

You are welcome.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

Thank you this was a great deal easier to understand

You can find my assisted excerpt from my hatching 411 here: http://hatching411.weebly.com/assisting-a-hatcher.html There's a little more info in it on the when to and the why and the problems that can come up in it.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

Ok, I have a question for the guinea hatchers. When it comes time for the actual hatching process, do they reletively follow the same time line for chicks between internal pipping-zipping or do they tend to take longer like the ducks?

 

[casportpony]

Ok, I have a question for the guinea hatchers.  When it comes time for the actual hatching process, do they reletively follow the same time line for chicks between internal pipping-zipping or do they tend to take longer like the ducks?

I haven't hatched that many, and it's been a long time since I did, but I think they're more like chickens.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

 
Everyone should read this:
http://www.audubon.org/news/the-art-hatching-egg-explained

-Kathy

Very interesting. I note that it fails to make reference to one "fact" that I have read in other "studies", and that is that the prompting for the chick to progress from internal pip to external pip being from build up of co2 in the egg. I have read in other places that this build up causes the "spasms" that chicks go through to start the external pipping process.

I wonder what made him interested in how the egg is turned and when it turns from pointed end to blunt end and the overal relevance of the positioning when it's laid. 

When I have more time I will read through the article more completely as I skimmed through the parts that went on about other species focusing primarily on the chicken related info.

When you have time, could you point me to those articles/studies on the co2? I'd like to read up more on those.

Regarding the egg turning... This would explain when I check for an egg in a hen that it felt sideways, lol. Silly me, I thought see was egg bound.

-Kathy

 

[AmyLynn2374]

I haven't hatched that many, and it's been a long time since I did, but I think they're more like chickens.

-Kathy

Oh, that sounds good..lol

When you have time, could you point me to those articles/studies on the co2? I'd like to read up more on those.

Regarding the egg turning... This would explain when I check for an egg in a hen that it felt sideways, lol. Silly me, I thought see was egg bound.

-Kathy

I will see if I can find a couple. I never paid much attention other than seeing it stated in articles I have read, but if I can find them, I will share them.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

@RubyNala97 do you know which articles had the info about the co2 build up causing the progression of the external pip? I know you'e read the same info.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

@casportpony this mentions it: https://www.pasreform.com/academy/f.../143-creating-the-ideal-hatching-climate.html and cites from: https://books.google.com/books?id=q...JDAC#v=onepage&q=(Visschedijk, 1968a)&f=false

but the couple I read had a little more detail and I am still looking!!!