Has anyone tried and/or had luck breeding Crele Cochins?

[lockedhearts]

I have some Red Cochins in the bator and I know I am getting way ahead of myself, but I was wondering if I could use them to try and breed Crele Cochins?
I am but a Babe in the World of Chicken Genetics, so any advise or comments are welcome.

 

[Vcomb]

i'm not pursuing it as a color but here's a male who's close. he's being used for a differnt color project.

he's from a buff hen under barred rooster.

 

[KKluckers]

I found this site last year. Really pretty birds.
http://members.aol.com/kbjtc/webp/cochin.html

 

[lockedhearts]

He is cool! I have a pair of Barred, Black and Splash, so was just wondering what I could manage with the Reds.
I have my black roo in with some mix hens right now, I hatched a bunch of eggs and kept 3 chicks, 2 are from my Buff Orp Hen and Black Roo
This was the result

Kind of

 

[Cuban Longtails]

You really need to incorporate the barring gene to make Crele. Someone has mentioned before that Crele is just barring over wheaten or BBR coloring. I don't think it's that simple, but I'm not an expert either.

 

[Vcomb]

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this is where it gets tricky. a true crele is b.b. red based you can create colors very very similar using partridge or wheaton based (which is what you'll be doing with cochins) but they technically wouldn't be true creles.

 

[lockedhearts]

Would you think they would have the coloring?

 

[Vcomb]

the males will be close. the hens...not so much. cochins are (the lighter colors) usually wheaton or partridge based. since the males of those varieties and the b.b. reds males are pretty similar, the males will look alike. using say, a buff cochin hen, you're dealing with wheaton, which wil eventually lead you to produce a hen of light and dark buff bars, with a black and white barred tail. a partridge hen would be different. not sure what that would look like, as you're dealing with those double lace markings in the body combined with barring. the male i posted was made using buff and barred if i recall off the top of my head.

 

[lockedhearts]

I have a Barred Pair. They are not old enough to produce yet so have no idea what chicks look like from them. Of course the Red ones are mere wigglers in the eggs on Day 7 at the moment. But the parents of the Reds were gorgeous, very pretty lighter than a RIR color but very nice and more of a rust based red like a RIR than a golder based color like a buff would be. Does that make sense?
I would love to cross and see what I can come up as far as the Crele coloring. I am definitely going to try once these guys are old enough.

My Buff hen that laid the eggs for my mixes (in the above pic I posted) is actually a more washed out beige buff, but these 2 chicks are really gold.

 

[Kev]

Vcomb is spot on with good info.

Just an idea- does barred reds appeal to you? Red cochins with white bars.. will also be more straightforward to breed for than crele in cochins.

I'm a fan of crele too. Used to have crele naked necks (my favorite breed)..

I also had a barred red rooster, he was nice to look at.