Help! 8wk poult showing signs of severe illness

I love how you put so much detail in your post. I have only had my turkeys for 3.5 months now and haven't had any experience with any type of sickness or bullying. So it's great when I find such a great post.
Thanks for noticing! I’ve just spent hours, admittedly entire days panicking about animal welfare, literally going down research rabbit holes where either nothing or everything is wrong but there’s few people willing to give advice or risk exposure because of some perceived liabilities in trying to help. Like the other day when this turkey’s head blew up and it was struggling all I wanted to do was go online and get a straight answer to fix it right, and I derived from research was gut wrenching fear from vague explanations and insinuations from more seasoned handlers that human oversights are the real problem (sometimes true but even newbies do their due diligence before taking on new interests like raising livestock and it’s not fun or inspiring to be spoken to like you’re ignorant when you’re actually trying). You put so much of yourself into taking care of these creatures. When things go wrong we both take it really hard. I’m sure having human children is going to be wayyyy worse! But hey at least we care enough to put our fears and ego aside to get help. Not having ten people tell us something specific was terribly wrong helped us stay calm and get some sleep the other night. It made a huge difference. It’s why we’re here on BYC and want to remain part of the community. :)

3.5months without issue is great! Usually taking care of them properly results in happy healthy birds but if you’re anywhere like we are out in the country where it’s wild all round, nothing stays predictable day to day.

I will say other than being completely unable to figure out the gender of my first two hens until I posted on here to get answers, I have not had any issues with my turkeys. I am only being overly cautious because we brought home these 5 babies who seemed a bit sick so we started medicating all of them to prevent any problems. Those 5 haven’t been sick since, it’s just been a hell of a time trying to make sure all 11 of these delicate babies survived and thrived. And they are!

Do you have chickens? We have quite a few now. I got some beautiful lavender orphington chicks from tractor supply a few months ago and they totally contaminated my young chick flock with something bacterial because the tiniest members of the flock’s digestive problems cleared right up within a week of treatment. I learned too late that these hatcheries do batch tests to show they pass and are loosely regulated so the fact that we managed to go almost a year without issues is something we’re proud of. Even though that one and only issue was caught quickly and has since been remedied, the fallout has been too real and we’ve had to spend a ton all around obsessively having to restore utmost bio sanitation. It’s also been the primary cause for concern more recently having built out the turkey corral on an area where chickens have been period. A friendly but all too necessary reminder that breeding stock and hatchery of origin matters. Local and in-person is better because you can do your homework and see what’s going on yourself.

I write a lot with the understanding from spending time on BYC and beyond that we aren’t special and there are many people going through similar experiences who just need some guidance, some reassurance that when you take the time to learn from experts and real people alike, also from your own mistakes or misconceptions and do the work to keep your flocks in harmony, that odds are things you can control will work out in your favor.
 
I have chickens ducks plus my turkeys. Only problems but it's just nature is predators and it's just very rarely a predator kills one of my pets. I have never had anything health wise go wrong. I have had ducks and chickens for over 7 years now. I live so far out in the country it takes 45 minutes in any direction to get to a store 🙂. My animals are like my kids. I spend no expenses on keeping them happy and healthy. For me raising kids is alot more stressful then animals. I have two boys. All grown up. Now let me tell you being on edge all the time. Takes alot more blood sweat and tears to keep them happy and healthy 😁. Being talk to like your ignorant is a common thing here on BYC. Not everyone is like this but some fill there is only one way to raise your flock and if it's not by the book I mean by there book it's wrong but I have learned from research and more research and the out come of the health and happiness of my flock that everything doesn't have to be done one way. That anyone that has had success in raising turkeys or any type of livestock has the right to post their own experience and triumphs. Without the fear of being told your wrong or you need to do more research before you say somthing but that's not the case. So many people stay in the dark corners and just read and never comment because of this sad fact.
I have 3 different types of chickens and my ducks are a mix of runners with some I got from a farmers market years ago. Oh yes I cant forget I have 2 cats and 2 dogs.
Grammer and spelling is not my strongest suit.
 
Thanks for noticing! I’ve just spent hours, admittedly entire days panicking about animal welfare, literally going down research rabbit holes where either nothing or everything is wrong but there’s few people willing to give advice or risk exposure because of some perceived liabilities in trying to help. Like the other day when this turkey’s head blew up and it was struggling all I wanted to do was go online and get a straight answer to fix it right, and I derived from research was gut wrenching fear from vague explanations and insinuations from more seasoned handlers that human oversights are the real problem (sometimes true but even newbies do their due diligence before taking on new interests like raising livestock and it’s not fun or inspiring to be spoken to like you’re ignorant when you’re actually trying). You put so much of yourself into taking care of these creatures. When things go wrong we both take it really hard. I’m sure having human children is going to be wayyyy worse! But hey at least we care enough to put our fears and ego aside to get help. Not having ten people tell us something specific was terribly wrong helped us stay calm and get some sleep the other night. It made a huge difference. It’s why we’re here on BYC and want to remain part of the community. :)

3.5months without issue is great! Usually taking care of them properly results in happy healthy birds but if you’re anywhere like we are out in the country where it’s wild all round, nothing stays predictable day to day.

I will say other than being completely unable to figure out the gender of my first two hens until I posted on here to get answers, I have not had any issues with my turkeys. I am only being overly cautious because we brought home these 5 babies who seemed a bit sick so we started medicating all of them to prevent any problems. Those 5 haven’t been sick since, it’s just been a hell of a time trying to make sure all 11 of these delicate babies survived and thrived. And they are!

Do you have chickens? We have quite a few now. I got some beautiful lavender orphington chicks from tractor supply a few months ago and they totally contaminated my young chick flock with something bacterial because the tiniest members of the flock’s digestive problems cleared right up within a week of treatment. I learned too late that these hatcheries do batch tests to show they pass and are loosely regulated so the fact that we managed to go almost a year without issues is something we’re proud of. Even though that one and only issue was caught quickly and has since been remedied, the fallout has been too real and we’ve had to spend a ton all around obsessively having to restore utmost bio sanitation. It’s also been the primary cause for concern more recently having built out the turkey corral on an area where chickens have been period. A friendly but all too necessary reminder that breeding stock and hatchery of origin matters. Local and in-person is better because you can do your homework and see what’s going on yourself.

I write a lot with the understanding from spending time on BYC and beyond that we aren’t special and there are many people going through similar experiences who just need some guidance, some reassurance that when you take the time to learn from experts and real people alike, also from your own mistakes or misconceptions and do the work to keep your flocks in harmony, that odds are things you can control will work out in your favor.
I wrote all that without doing a reply to you. Oops
 
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All good! The indoor pets are a whole different world for us too. Can’t even get into it. The amount of time and money we spend on the critters is a major factor in why we don’t have a bunch of kids already…probably for the best right now, way too much work.

Stevie the one-eyed poult is over a week back in the corral and totally okay. Even her witchy missing eye looks as normal as possible. Will post a pic at some point. All that awfulness had to be from having her eye pecked out. She was super sad and excluded first couple days but everything seemed to sort itself out and the flock is unified, yay!

She’s been hopping up on us a bit when we’re in the corral but that could just be that she’s extra socialized towards us because of the amount of the extra attention we paid her during her indoor ordeal - or that we show up end of day with snacks and who wouldn’t try buttering us up with affection if there could be treats involved, right? It’s sweet and all. Not trying to encourage the behavior though. Not only rude. She’s about to be huge!
 
Hi there we are extremely concerned about one of our 8wk old chocolate poults. For the sake of writing this post effectively and because I suspect so, their gender is female.

I realize many people might refrain from posting about these sort of problems out of fear that they will be shamed or given a bad rep but the reality is if this is a more serious matter, we need to inform/report the source because we have nothing to hide here, this farm is meticulously well-kept, bio sanitation maintained and we do right by our critters all day every day. Like so many of you, this is our life. We aren’t a hatchery and can’t afford lab analysis - we just want to do what’s best for everyone, this poult, her flock and ourselves.

This BYC community is highly valued and respected by us and we’d greatly appreciate your community’s expert guidance on this sudden, sad situation.

So here’s the deal, we went into the corral in the morning as usual and found this little poult standing with head keeled over and wings drooped. I immediately removed her to quarantine for further inspection while my husband assessed the coop and remaining flock which all seem to be in order.
Being in rural east TX and only a year into raising turkeys, my first instinct was to give the bird 1ml of children’s Benadryl because her head and neck was outlandishly swollen. So much so that I couldn’t tell exactly what was happening with her eyes until some of the swelling went down. I initially thought one of her eyes had been pecked out only to realize it was just hiding below her eyelid and a bit of mucus. She’s now able to open one of them and her head swelling has gone down. Neck swelling has not and is extremely hot to touch.

* We’ve been told there are no cases of blackhead or viral infections in the area. We realize this could still be an issue because of etiology.

Here’s the following information about her symptoms, followed by other relevant information I noticed many experts on here like to know about when others make similar inquiries:
*cyanosis (oxygen loss) of the head. More red than blue. Some blue at top of head/around eyes.
*swelling and conjunctivitis in both eyes - worse on right (currently all swelling has gone down over 60%) eyes are improving
*swelling starting behind ears around throat, extremely hot to touch, seemed fluid filled. Before administering Benadryl top of the head was very very swollen.
* Her head is up, alert and she’s walking around normally. She’s currently laying down after spending a few hours standing with drooping wings before significantly reanimating
*poops have ranged from slightly yellow watery to distinct food coloring-like emerald green watery to more solid white with a tiny bit of green to very dark solid after feeding her some plain nonfat yogurt she happily took.
*she’s making normal turkey noises, swallowing, no wheezing but had labored breathing earlier seemingly from intense swelling, also some mouth opening which also subsided - has drastically improved since this morning.
*Shes finally laying down, sleeping comfortably. Still has significant throat swelling. Cyanosis. struggling to open eyes. Less mucus or any eye discharge.
*no signs of pests on her
*no nasal discharge, no blood

Flock info:
*she came to us at a few days old from a local breeder who got her from Cackle in Idaho - they were meant to be Spanish Blacks but are clearly Chocolates.
*she’s housed luxuriously in a big enclosed custom turkey corral with 10 fellow poults and two adult hens.
*the corral she lives in has a river sand floor and some hay which is cleaned/cleared regularly. The vicinity is regularly treated with diatomaceous earth and permethrin. Fly traps enforced. Ammonia was used throughout after thorough cleaning prior to them going into the corral because chickens had been housed there temporarily before. They have also been given Amprol in their water as a preventative because of the chicken factor and the older hens exposure to those chickens prior.
*they have two water options, hanging and large bin both of which are carefully monitored.
*30% protein Purina starter for food. Kept clean/dry. Served in goat trough which is also cleaned out daily/ deep cleaned regularly.
*also given some 17% all flock pellets for probiotics
*no vegetation present to forage.

Environmental Considerations:
*Although her accommodations have been generally ideal, it’s extremely hot and humid here - we’ve also been experiencing unusual rainfall and wind since introducing them to the corral a few weeks ago. Wet from wind and humidity are a bad combo - hay and feed not moldy.
*she is housed with three groups of turkeys that have been monitored and gradually integrated with one another per all guidance given. Her initial flock of chocolates, a group of slightly younger Spanish blacks from a different hatchery and our original Spanish black hens. The two young groups were housed indoors together and treated for cocc. Upon pickup from a local hatchery which claims they have all clear credentials on no cocc. Spanish black poults had shown signs of cocc. So they were treated, kept in separate crates from Chocolates (also treated and given diluted apple cider vinegar) for weeks until major improvements were clear & present. My two Spanish black hens were also treated as we knew they were going to be integrated.

Please help us figure out what might be going on? Seems like such a sudden, extreme shift one we hope to remedy - she was just running around normally being a spunky little poult, voraciously pecking at a corn cob I hand fed them as a treat the night before. I am gutted to think I’ll have to cull her and that there may be a flock-wide issue that could mean we will lose some or all of them. We are trying our absolute best and running ourselves into the ground trying to navigate the murky waters of disease and disorder. I also don’t want to breed sick birds. This whole turkey idea was for heritage bird conservation efforts. Out of love for country and nature. We still aren’t getting lab work for one bird though. It’s not feasible for us at the moment - we the humans don’t even get precautionary lab work! Obviously if more start showing any signs of illness we will likely cave and figure out a place to go but until then your assistance would be incredibly helpful

Thanks so much in advance for your time and effort taken to help us. Sharing your wisdom with us will help us learn and continue to help others in a similar position.

She’s okay!!! Just want to let everyone know Stevie made a full recovery. Her eye is 100% gone and she’s still getting used to life through a single lens limited to one side but she’s doing great.
I hope my original post helps other turkey owners identify and navigate similar situations where head trauma (in our case from intra-flock politics) presented itself as potentially infectious disease due to intense swelling/inflammation from the neck up, not localized to her eye. She needed Benadryl and intensive in-home care for a few days for us to figure out what was going on but it was worth it.
It’s also been a great reminder to trim beaks and claws and stay on top of any social or sanitation issues. Thanks to everyone who shared and cared. 💕🦃
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She’s okay!!! Just want to let everyone know Stevie made a full recovery. Her eye is 100% gone and she’s still getting used to life through a single lens limited to one side but she’s doing great.
I hope my original post helps other turkey owners identify and navigate similar situations where head trauma (in our case from intra-flock politics) presented itself as potentially infectious disease due to intense swelling/inflammation from the neck up, not localized to her eye. She needed Benadryl and intensive in-home care for a few days for us to figure out what was going on but it was worth it.
It’s also been a great reminder to trim beaks and claws and stay on top of any social or sanitation issues. Thanks to everyone who shared and cared. 💕🦃
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