Help - My Flock Very Sick

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by weeziewoo, Jun 4, 2011.

  1. mshuey1

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    HI we just went thur that this is what I did and had great resluts. 1 first thing in the morning when the chickens go out of the coop use a Adams flea and tick fogger and follow the directions on the package. 2 Use Garden & Poulty Dust you can find that in the garden area, put this anywhere that your chickens may use for dust bathing. 3 I use Tylan, they got no relief from terramycin, you will need the powder that you mix in there drinking water. Also you may need someone to help you determine the dosage for there drinking water. 4 I had a Roo that was infected with egg sacks I bath him in flea shampoo and the next day I sprayed the areas with Adams flea and tick, egg spray. Am happy to say that with much trial and error this worked the best my chickens are mite,lice and infection are gone. There getting new feathers in and there skin look health. There breathing is health. If you eating there eggs you need to stop until there health again.
     
  2. tellynpeep

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    Please be aware that Ivermectin in any form is off-label in poultry. It's illegal, at least in the US. There is no legal withdrawal time listed, but I would recommend not selling or eating eggs for 30 days at least if you have used it.
    And yes, the topical form is absorbed systemically.
     
  3. naakte

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    a safe great wormer for nearly everything except tapes would be pyrantel pamoate. 1/4 to 1/2 a cc per chicken. best to give with a needleless syringe, chicken in a upright position, beak down. Pyrantel is not a poison. it is a paralizer so the worms(if they have rounds) will be alive when they come out... I do not understand where chicken lice comes from???? free ranging? other insects carry it to them?
    Donna
     
  4. naakte

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    Quote:The worm preventative is an off-label use I have seen recommended. I have not tried it personally, so I do not know first-hand if it is effective. Oxine is a biocide/pesticide and is approved for biocide and pesticide uses in HVAC systems. The label does mention pesticide use and several off-label uses are mentioned in various locations.

    I will have to disagree with you regarding the Eprinex ivomec pour. Please see the drug label information here that specifically includes mites, lice, and horn flies.

    I dont know a lot about this pour on, but i do know lots about ivermectin 1% for cattle. we use it for monthly heart worming. dosage for dogs is 1 diabetic unit per pound of body weight or 1/10 th of a cc per 10 lbs (this is the same dosage as one CC is equal to 100 units. My dogs are toys so we use unit syringes to be more exact. NOTE this is an injectable solution that we inject into a hotdog end. NOT the pour on that i know nothing about. giving a pour on i do not see how you can be precise in dosing. and any form of ivermecton seems harsh for just roundworms which are easily gotten rid of with pyrantel P which is way safer. If you decide to use off label stuff for your chickens, know that some stuff could kill them just by giving a "little" too much. Do you have a vet you could call for guidance?

    Donna
     
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  5. dawg53

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    Quote:The worm preventative is an off-label use I have seen recommended. I have not tried it personally, so I do not know first-hand if it is effective. Oxine is a biocide/pesticide and is approved for biocide and pesticide uses in HVAC systems. The label does mention pesticide use and several off-label uses are mentioned in various locations.

    I will have to disagree with you regarding the Eprinex ivomec pour. Please see the drug label information here that specifically includes mites, lice, and horn flies.

    I dont know a lot about this pour on, but i do know lots about ivermectin 1% for cattle. we use it for monthly heart worming. dosage for dogs is 1 diabetic unit per pound of body weight or 1/10 th of a cc per 10 lbs (this is the same dosage as one CC is equak to 100 units. My dogs are toys so we use unit syringes to be more exact. NOTE this is an injectable solution that we inject into a hotdog end. NOT the pour on that i know nothing about. giving a pour on i do not see how you can be precise in dosing. and any form of ivermecton seems harsh for just roundworms which are easily gotten rid of with pyrantel P which is way safer. If you decide to use off label stuff for your chickens, know that some stuff could kill them just by giving a "little" too much. Do you have a vet you could call for guidance?

    Donna

    I dont use ivomec products anymore, including eprinex...I dont trust them. I use valbazen and safeguard....very safe off label wormers as well as pyrantel pamoate.
     
  6. Anianna

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    Are there any effective on-label dewormers for poultry?
     
  7. dawg53

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    Quote:Unfortunately, there is only one that's approved...wazine. It only gets rid of large roundworms.
     
  8. Anianna

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    Quote:Unfortunately, there is only one that's approved...wazine. It only gets rid of large roundworms.

    That has a 14 day wait period for slaughter after use and it says not to use in producing layers. Ever? Without effective dewormers labeled for use in chickens what do the food poultry and egg production industries do when their chickens get worms?

    Also, what dosage do you use for Valbazen Suspension and Safeguard in chickens?
     
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  9. naakte

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    Being new to chickens i am not familular with Valbazen Suspension and Safeguard, what is their action? how long have they been on the market? are these a prescription only drug? what is the cost? (approx)

    if the gal that posted originally is unsure exactly what is wrong with her chicken, Is there a symptom diag guide for chickens somewhere that could assist her?
     
  10. dawg53

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    Quote:Unfortunately, there is only one that's approved...wazine. It only gets rid of large roundworms.

    That has a 14 day wait period for slaughter after use and it says not to use in producing layers. Ever? Without effective dewormers labeled for use in chickens what do the food poultry and egg production industries do when their chickens get worms?

    Also, what dosage do you use for Valbazen Suspension and Safeguard in chickens?

    For wazine, the way I see it is if the chicken is good to eat after the 14th day, so are the eggs. Some people ignore withdrawal times and eat the eggs or meat anyway. It's possible there could be a reaction if they have a sensitivity to the wormers. Some people forget that they are poisons. It is their choice. I abide by the recommended withdrawal periods. Commercial operations: For meat birds, they dont live long enough to get worms. Egg operations; their feet never touch dirt and cant get worms, they are all in cages.
    Valbazen (albendazole) is a liquid cattle/sheep wormer. Dosage is given orally, 1/2cc for standard size chickens and 1/4cc for smaller chickens.
    Safeguard paste (fenbendazole) is an equine wormer. Dosage is a "pea" size amount given to each chicken orally. Safeguard liquid goat wormer is given orally; 1cc for giants, 3/4cc for large chickens/roosters, 1/2cc for standard size and 1/4cc for smaller chickens.
    All three wormers have the standard two week withdrawal period. It is best to to do a second worming 10-14 days after the initial worming to kill larva that the first dosing might have missed, effectively ending the worms reproduction and lifecycle. It's best to use valbazen first...it slowly kills worms over several days preventing toxic worm overload. Then 10 days later repeat worming with safeguard.
    ETA: You can go to youtube and type in "commercial egg production" and see how it is...alot of Leghorns lol.
     
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