HELP! Sick goat??

[chooks4life]

If I'm reading it right, your old dog had seizures the night before your goat did? If that's right, is there possibly a contaminated water source or food item both may have consumed or other toxins they may have been exposed to?

Best wishes.

 

[cassie]

Here's the article I found, from tennesseemeatgoats.com:

Goat Polio (Polioencephalomalacia) is a metabolic disease with symptoms that often mimic or overlap those of the brain-stem disease Listeriosis (Listeria monocytogenes). In most cases, both of these diseases are seen in goats raised under intensive management conditions. Improper feeding, particularly feeding too much grain and too little roughage (hay and forage) is a significant factor in both diseases. Producers pushing the animal to gain weight too fast can induce these potentially fatal diseases in their goats. Sudden changes in feed can also cause the onset of these diseases.
Polioencephalomalacia (also known as Cerebrocortical Necrosis) is basically thiamine (Vitamin B 1) deficiency. Any change in the rumen's environment that suppresses normal bacterial activity can interfere with thiamine production. Too much grain decreases the pH of the rumen, predisposing the animal to Goat Polio. Glucose cannot be metabolized without thiamine. If thiamine is either not present or exists in an altered form (thiaminase), then brain cells die and severe neurological symptoms appear.
Causes of thiamine deficiency include feeding moldy hay or grain, using amprollium which is a thiamine inhibitor (brand name CoRid) when treating coccodiosis, feeding molasses-based grains which are prone to mold (horse & mule feeds), eating some species of ferns, sudden changes in diet, the dietary stress of weaning, and reactions to the de-wormers thiabendazole and levamisole. Each of these conditions can suppress Vitamin B1 production. The usage of antibiotics destroys flora in the rumen and can cause thiamine deficiency. It is important to repopulate the gut with live bacteria after using antibiotics or diarrhea (scour) medications.
Goat Polio generally occurs in weanlings and very young goats, while Listeriosis most frequently affects adult goats. An increase in Goat Polio occurs in North America during winter when the availability of forage and quality hay is low and producers start feeding increased amounts of grain or expect goats to survive on very poor pasture.
Symptoms of Polioencephalomalacia can be any combination of or all of the following: excitability, "stargazing," uncoordinated staggering and/or weaving (ataxia), circling, diarrhea, muscle tremors, and blindness. Initial symptoms can look like Entertoxemia (overeating disease). There is a component of "overeating" involved in that the rumen flora has been compromised. As the disease progresses, convulsions and high fever occur, and if untreated, the goat generally dies within 24-72 hours. Diagnosis is available via laboratory tests, but the producer does not have the luxury of the time that such tests take.
Thiamine is the only effective therapy, and treatment can result in improvement within a few hours if the disease is caught early enough. Thiamine is an inexpensive veterinary prescription. Producers should always keep thiamine on hand; the most commonly available strength is 100 mg/ml. Dosage is based on the goat's weight (4-1/2 cc per 100 pounds liveweight for 100 mg/ml thiamine) and must be given every six hours on a 24-hour cycle until all symptoms have disappeared completely to avoid relapse. Thiamine, like all B vitamins, is water soluable, so the goat eliminates daily what it doesn't utilize in the rumen. A sick goat's rumen doesn't produce B vitamins, hence the importance of adding them to the goat each day until it gets well. Initially thiamine should be given IM (into the muscle) but can be given SQ (subcutaneously) or even orally after several days of treatment. Some thiamine comes in 500 mg/ml strength, making the required dosage 1 cc per 100 pounds bodyweight. If thiamine is unavailable but the producer has injectable multiple B vitamins, check the label for how much thiamine (Vitamin B1) is present. Fortified Vitamin B Complex contains 100 mg/ml of thiamine, so the 4-1/2 cc per 100 pounds bodyweight dosage is appropriate. Injectable multiple B vitamins containing only 25mg/ml of thiamine require four times the 100mg/ml dosage (18-1/2 cc) per 100 pounds bodyweight, so the producer can quickly see the importance of obtaining the proper strength of injectable B vitamins. The key to overcoming Goat Polio is early diagnosis and treatment. Complete recovery is possible under such circumstances.
Since symptoms of Goat Polio can easily look like Listeriosis, this writer recommends that procaine pencillin also be used. Better to cover both possible illnesses with appropriate treatments when symptoms are so similar than risk the goat's dying. Administer high doses of procaine penicillin (300,000 International Unit strength) every six hours on a 24-hour basis until all symptoms have disappeared and another 24 hours have passed. Higher-than-normal dosage of procaine penicillin is needed to cross the blood brain barrier to put sufficient amounts of the antibiotic into the tissue of the goat's central nervous system. A chart of dosage by bodyweight accompanies this article. Give this medication SQ over the ribs with an 18 gauge needle so that the goat doesn't become a pin cushion of holes from repeated injections. Very Important: Continue all treatment until 24 hours *after* the last symptom has disappeared to avoid a relapse.
Summary: To try to avoid this disease, decrease grain, increase roughage, avoid moldy hay and grain, and don't use feed that is susceptible to mold (molasses-based/textured feeds). Complete avoidance of Goat Polio is impossible. After doing everything "right," producers can still have a goat contract Goat Polio occasionally.

Just a comment. I raised goats for over 40 years. I have had a few, not many, cases of polio in all that time. One case of polio was in a week old calf. Two cases were with newly acquired animals who hadn't yet adjusted and weren't eating properly, and I would also sometimes see it in animals recovering from entertoxemia. Anything that causes reduced feed intake or depression of rumen functioning can trigger it. It doesn't really matter how well you manage your livestock, sometimes it just happens. Treatment for listeriosis in this case is an excellent idea. I always thought tetracyclenes like LA200 rather than penicillin was the treatment of choice for listeriosis, though.

 

[H Diamond]

I've also heard good things about excenel or Naxcel. Also is a study out there on a combo of gentamyacin and ampicillin.

 

[ShayBaby]

Thank you everyone for your latest comments.
This morning I contacted our horse vet, who knows surprisingly a lot about goats, who referred me to a local vet that sells the straight Thiamine without the hefty vet bill. They gave us 6 pre-dosed syringes (smaller needles, thankfully), 1.25ml each (I think), to be given IM every 12 hours.

I'd much rather give it SQ, like you all mentioned, but not sure I should go against the vet's orders?
She's not improving at all yet, but has only had one dose of that so far.
I stopped the penicillin, because she would react every time like it made her extra loopy and unsteady. I'll look into the tetracyclene you mentioned, cassie, and the other meds you mentioned, H Diamond. Thank you both.

If I'm reading it right, your old dog had seizures the night before your goat did? If that's right, is there possibly a contaminated water source or food item both may have consumed or other toxins they may have been exposed to?

Best wishes.

I wish it were that simple hehe. We found out later that the dog had gone through the trash down the road and eaten some moldy chicken, which caused the seizures. The goat couldn't get to the trash if she tried her darndest, and old Gulliver isn't prone to sharing lol. Thanks for your response!

 

[luvmypets]

Hello and hope your beautiful girl gets better!

In case you have any more questions

http://www.backyardherds.com

 

[ShayBaby]

Hello and hope your beautiful girl gets better!

In case you have any more questions

http://www.backyardherds.com

Thank you! And thank you! lol. I'd forgotten that site existed.

 

[luvmypets]

I didnt even know until i was searching details of sheep lambing earlier this yr... Lol theres many expierienced ppl their!

 

[ShayBaby]

Sorry for the update delay. Eleanor seems to be doing MUCH better after a few doses of the actual Thiamine. Funny how that worked so fast while the recommend dosage of the B complex did nothing.
She hasn't had one of her rolling episodes (convulsions?), which were getting more and more frequent, since the night before last, she didn't topple over once yesterday or today, and the head tilt thing is much better. Still a little leftwards pull, but not nearly as bad, and she can hold it straight long enough to focus on something, unlike before, and she can turn her head to her right side (to scratch an itch or so), which she definitely couldn't do before.
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Yay, thiamine!

 

[luvmypets]

Yay for eleanor!

 

[H Diamond]

Yeay! Just make sure to continue treatment until 24 hours after her symproms are gone or they could come back, then the pin cushion starts all over.