HELP with Yet ANOTHER outdoor run thread about AWEFUL SMELL - HELP ? PIX included

I don't see any kind of litter over the substrate at all. Seems like the dirt is absorbing the liquid from the droppings and because the ground is already saturated it can't go down very far so the droppings kinda sits on the surface and just below, adding their own 'perfume' to the mix. This will be especially true in those saturated areas you are talking about. You are so right - sour dirt has the most disgusting smell ever! You've got some anaerobic breakdown going on in that soil, and that's the first cycle you have to break.

I'd start with a couple of bags of pine shavings. Try to start with a layer at least 4 inches deep, preferably 6. They are cheap, and for a run that size it would take a few bags. But seems to me that you're going to have start somewhere, and you're going to have to do some spending to get a handle on it. Those pine shavings will wick some of that moisture up. Go with large flake pine shavings if you can - more cut surface area to wick moisture. Add in some dry leaves (I know, not easy to find in a very wet Florida). If there are some little twigs and such in the leaves, so much the better - provides little air pockets. Although it sounds contrary to add more nitrogen to an area already abundant with it from droppings, after a few days of drying from the pine shavings, some fresh cut grass clippings added on top of the pine shavings will actually help some too. You won't need a ton of those - just a bag full spread thinly on top. It will be an immediate odor improvement and they'll dig them down very quickly.

If you have power out there, running a heavy fan and blowing it directly across the worst spots when the rain finally lets up will start some surface drying for you. But bare dirt in a chicken run rarely works, so get some kind of litter in there. If you want to use sand, get the area as dry as you can (block access to that area from the chickens with a chicken wire barrier if you have to, just to keep them from using it while it dries) and put it down. Sand is great - a lot of people use it with great success. But it is also much more compact with very little air flow (if any) through it down to the dirt, so it will just hold the wet in there. So I would think that for sand to be successful in this case, at least the are would have to be starting out somewhat dry.

My run uses the deep litter system. Part of my run is covered, part is open to the elements. So part of it gets pretty wet with every rain, and the other part is dry. After a heavy rain, I just take my trusty rake out there and kinda mix the dry with the wet, pulling from area into the other. I don't dig the rake down deeply, just skimming across the top. Toss a little scratch in and the chickens do the rest for me.

I wish you so much luck getting a handle on this. But once you do get it under control, you'll have healthier chickens and a much happier nose.
 
interesting idea about the wood chips. i have a 20 ton splitter and a felled monster pine tree bucked into 2' logs.
anyone know if you can split the logs and shred them somehow ? i really don't know if a wood chipper
would be able to do that. If so, i certainly have access to an abundant source of fresh pine.
 
Yes a good wood chipper will indeed take spilt logs and turn out exactly what you need for your run. You just need a chipper big enough for the size wood your feeding it.
 
I came to this thread after reading the title, fully prepared to talk about the deep litter method. Glad to see so many others already here talking about it. Especially Blooie
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my first question when reading the OP, was, you're in FL, already on sandy soil, why would you think more sand on top of that would help?
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deep litter is the way to go....
 
it looks like my best move at this point is to rent a big wood chipper, break out the 20 ton splitter and chainsaws and get to work on the free wood chips.
 
If you go over to the "Feeding and Watering Your Flock" forum, you can find a lot of information on feeding fermented feed. There are apparently a lot of benefits. I am no expert on this, but I have recently given it a try. My chickens are young and still on starter and grower. I mix equal parts of feed and water and stir it up and cover it. Stir it 2 to 3 times a day. Starting on day 3, you can feed it to your chickens. It should be smelling kind of bad by then. I try to feed the remainder out on day 4. If I hold it past 4 days at room temperature, it starts to mold. You can't use dry type feeders. I'm going to build a miniature wooden hog trough as a feeder. I've seen people using a piece of roof guttering with end caps as a feeder.
 
If you go over to the "Feeding and Watering Your Flock" forum, you can find a lot of information on feeding fermented feed. There are apparently a lot of benefits. I am no expert on this, but I have recently given it a try. My chickens are young and still on starter and grower. I mix equal parts of feed and water and stir it up and cover it. Stir it 2 to 3 times a day. Starting on day 3, you can feed it to your chickens. It should be smelling kind of bad by then. I try to feed the remainder out on day 4. If I hold it past 4 days at room temperature, it starts to mold. You can't use dry type feeders. I'm going to build a miniature wooden hog trough as a feeder. I've seen people using a piece of roof guttering with end caps as a feeder.
 
If you go over to the "Feeding and Watering Your Flock" forum, you can find a lot of information on feeding fermented feed. There are apparently a lot of benefits. I am no expert on this, but I have recently given it a try. My chickens are young and still on starter and grower. I mix equal parts of feed and water and stir it up and cover it. Stir it 2 to 3 times a day. Starting on day 3, you can feed it to your chickens. It should be smelling kind of bad by then. I try to feed the remainder out on day 4. If I hold it past 4 days at room temperature, it starts to mold. You can't use dry type feeders. I'm going to build a miniature wooden hog trough as a feeder. I've seen people using a piece of roof guttering with end caps as a feeder.
I am one of those using rain gutters for FF, and I must tell you it works equally well for dry. When we were out of town for awhile we stopped the FF and went with dry to make chicken care simpler for our "sitter". Mine is one piece of gutter, cut in half. The bottom half with the end caps on it became the bottom of the feeder. The other half, flipped over and attached with threaded chains, became the "lid". Keeps chicks and chickens from walking in it, spaces the food out well (really important when integrating to avoid the older birds keeping the younger ones from the food) and keeps the food clean and dry. Feed stores can keep their expensive big bin feeders - I'll stick with this any day.






 
I am one of those using rain gutters for FF, and I must tell you it works equally well for dry. When we were out of town for awhile we stopped the FF and went with dry to make chicken care simpler for our "sitter". Mine is one piece of gutter, cut in half. The bottom half with the end caps on it became the bottom of the feeder. The other half, flipped over and attached with threaded chains, became the "lid". Keeps chicks and chickens from walking in it, spaces the food out well (really important when integrating to avoid the older birds keeping the younger ones from the food) and keeps the food clean and dry. Feed stores can keep their expensive big bin feeders - I'll stick with this any day.









Great idea with the gutters. Thats going to be something i will do for mine.
How well will the pine chips / shavings hold up in the areas of the run that are not roofed
and will get rained on ? I assume that those areas will need to be laid down thicker.
Id use hay but I'm afraid they will start laying eggs outside.
 
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Hay has a tendency to grow bad molds when it gets wet. Put the shavings down thicker in the areas that get rained on. Good deep litter NEEDS some moisture to get it breaking down well. As I said, part of my run is exposed to the elements and part of it is covered. I just rake the top of the wet over into the dry, and some of the dry into the wet, and it seems to keep it pretty well balanced.
 

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