HELP! Worm in poop

[newtxchick]

We have three red stars I bought that are about 5-6 months old. We just found a white worm in one of their poop (looked like spaghetti) thin.

I have googled Wazine, (they're not laying yet) is that what everyone uses?

Am I doing something wrong that they got worms!?

Should I be concerned about my dogs or children!?

Any advice is really appreciated, we've only had them about a month!

 

[Judy]

Worms are common in chitckens. They pick them up from the soil, and they present no danger to your family, they are species specific. They do need to be wormed, though. You probably saw roundworms (there are several kinds, most of which you can't see with the naked eye.) Wazine will kill roundworms, but Safeguard will kill most of them, and Valbazen will kill all of them.

The dose for Valbazen is 0.5ml per large fowl adult. Repeat in 10 days. Toss eggs for a total of 21 days. Give with a syringe without needle, just squirt it in each bird's mouth. Usually easiest to do at night, just lift them off the roost, one by one. Or put one dose on a small piece of bread and give each one a piece of bread, keeping them separate so no one eats someone else's bread, of course. I do the bread method, once a year.

Here's one of many good threads here about worms

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-not-coryza-or-crd-parasites-are-rampant/0_20

(edited to get the correct wormers identified)

 

[newtxchick]

so do you follow up with ivermectin? or just wazine in a syringe for them?

thank you for your feedback!!!

 

[dawg53]

so do you follow up with ivermectin? or just wazine in a syringe for them?

thank you for your feedback!!!

Judy got a little mixed up with her wormers, I'll explain. Wazine only gets rid of large roundworms. Chickens can carry many types of worms. It would be in your best interest to use safeguard liquid goat wormer to worm your birds instead of wazine. To administer the safeguard liquid goat wormer, use a syringe without a needle to draw the liquid from the bottle. Dosage is 1/2cc given orally undiluted to each standard size chicken, 1/4cc for smaller birds. Redose them all again in 10 days to kill larva missed by the first dosing. There's a 14 day withdrawal period after the last dosing.
Ivermectin has lost its effectiveness as a wormer in chickens due to its overuse as a miteacide in chickens.

 

[newtxchick]

dang I just bought ivermectin today based on google searches etc.

I will take it back and get the safeguard tomorrow. I read about using Wazine in the water??

Thank you!

 

[dawg53]

dang I just bought ivermectin today based on google searches etc.

I will take it back and get the safeguard tomorrow. I read about using Wazine in the water??

Thank you!

Yes, you can use wazine if you wish. Dosage is one ounce per gallon of water for 24 hours only. Remove all sources of drinking water after your chickens go in the coop for the night. Early the next morning before you let the chickens out of the coop, have the treated water in place for them to drink. Birds are thirsty after being cooped up all night and will readily drink the treated water. Dump the treated water the following morning and provide them regular fresh water to drink. Check their feces, you might see worms excreted in feces...they will be dead or dying which is normal.
Swap the ivermectin for the safeguard. Then dose your chickens with the safeguard in 10 days, you'll be glad you did.

 

[chickisoup]

Listen to Dawg! He knows of what he speaks, a very wise flockmaster

Wazine first, then the Safegard. Went thru the very same thing last fall with two new 2 month old cockerals (who were sold to me as pullets, another story). Within a couple weeks one started passing bloody tissue, then worms. If you actually see a passed adult worm, your birds are seriously overloaded. What Dawg forgot to mention is the reason you use Wazine first. If your birds are that overloaded, killing everything at first could clog the intestines causing a fatal blockage. Wazine, like mentioned before, only kills the roundworms, Safegard kills everything. I personally would recommend giving them some probiotics the third day or so after the Wazine just to help out the gut flora. I just used the Save-A-Chick probiotic packets (in a 3 strip for maybe $2.25) in their water. Others do the yogurt thing but mine don't like it, fussy girls.

Oh, and no worries. Chicken worms don't cross over to dogs and children. And you did nothing wrong. Worms happen. A little reading will inform you about the life cycles of the different "critters". You didn't mention how old these birds were when you got them. They could have already brought their "gift" with them.

As long as you are at it, you might as well check them for external "critters" if you haven't already. I like to personally take care of everything at once then you only have to give the coop, etc. one good cleaning

 

[dawg53]

Listen to Dawg! He knows of what he speaks, a very wise flockmaster

Wazine first, then the Safegard. Went thru the very same thing last fall with two new 2 month old cockerals (who were sold to me as pullets, another story). Within a couple weeks one started passing bloody tissue, then worms. If you actually see a passed adult worm, your birds are seriously overloaded. What Dawg forgot to mention is the reason you use Wazine first. If your birds are that overloaded, killing everything at first could clog the intestines causing a fatal blockage. Wazine, like mentioned before, only kills the roundworms, Safegard kills everything. I personally would recommend giving them some probiotics the third day or so after the Wazine just to help out the gut flora. I just used the Save-A-Chick probiotic packets (in a 3 strip for maybe $2.25) in their water. Others do the yogurt thing but mine don't like it, fussy girls.

Oh, and no worries. Chicken worms don't cross over to dogs and children. And you did nothing wrong. Worms happen. A little reading will inform you about the life cycles of the different "critters". You didn't mention how old these birds were when you got them. They could have already brought their "gift" with them.

As long as you are at it, you might as well check them for external "critters" if you haven't already. I like to personally take care of everything at once then you only have to give the coop, etc. one good cleaning

Thank you for the kind words. I have to explain a few things to you about worming. I used to use wazine as the initial wormer, then followed up 10 days later with either safeguard or valbazen...but not anymore. I've since learned that wazine acts like an immediate flush of large roundworms out of the chickens digestive tract and because of that, it could cause a greater chance of intestinal blockage, this is true with most other wormers as well. It's worse especially if there's an infestation of worms, particularly if someone is worming their chickens for the first time. So, it's possible that a chicken provided wazine for the first time can die from toxic dead worm overload.
There is one wormer that I use as the first wormer, the safest one out there; valbazen. It slowly kills worms over a period of several days even if multiple species of worms are involved. There's no chance of toxic dead worm overload using valbazen. I stopped using wazine and use valbazen, safeguard, sometimes pyrantel pamoate, also praziquantel. I use praziquantel specifically for tapeworms.
Safeguard kills most worms, but not tapeworms. Valbazen kills all types of worms.
Any of my previous posts in the past where I recommended wazine as an initial wormer, please disregard that info.

 

[chickisoup]

THANK YOU DAWG!
my wormer of choice is also now Valbazen. (I tell folks Safegard because it is easier to find and cheaper) I ordered it from Dr. Brown @ Firststate Vet Supply after listening to him on the web. You answered a nagging question I had about Wazine myself. I used it on a vet's recommendation but I did wonder about the massive killoff round worms if there were a heavy infestation which was the reason for the "two step" worming process in the first place. Only Valbazen for me from now on!!

Again,

 

[IZZYBELLA]

Hi All,
I found a roundworm in one of my girls' poops last week and treated with wazine in the water for 24 hours (thought it was a good first time wormer, but now I see your recent comment, Dawg!). I plan to de-worm again with valbazen in 10 days. Two questions...
1. Should I be seeing lots of roundworms in their droppings after the wazine? (I'm not, which makes me question if they got enough wazine.)
2. Is it acceptable to put the valbazen dose in bread? I am fairly new to chickens and have a heck of a time getting their beaks to stay open!
Thanks!