Hens laying poorly for MONTHS - mystery!

jbobs

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Apr 1, 2010
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Hi everyone! I am trying to get to the bottom of the mystery of why our chickens are laying few to no eggs.

We have had chickens for several years now and have never seen anything like this. It is normal for our chickens to slow down on the eggs when they are molting once or twice a year, and we go from about 60 eggs per day out of 80 birds to about 20. When they started this again in November we were not alarmed as we thought it was normal.

But it went on for several weeks, which turned into all winter, and a few weeks ago we started to get close to 30 a day and were thinking the molt was finally over, but that only lasted a few days and now we're down to 0-6 eggs per day out of 80 birds.

20 of the birds are about 8 or nine months old. Another 15 are on the older side - about 2.5 years. The rest are a little over one year old. They are mostly brown sex-links, a few are black (red rocks cross) and a few are white rock x white leghorn.

When they first began to molt, we turned the lights off and boarded up the windows for a couple weeks to initiate molt in all of them. Then we took the blkinders of the windows and put the lights back on a timer. Then we started to notice birds dying. Just found dead on the floor, one every day or so. Some of them looked sickly and dumpy and skinny. Some looked like they had runny droppings.

We had MILLIONS of mice in the coop at that time, and they chewed a hole through the wall to the feeder and were living inside the feeder. I thought maybe the mice were spreading some kind of disease to them so we cleaned out the coop and plugged up all the holes where the mice were getting in. Now we have almost no mice, and although we have not noticed any birds dying or looking sick, the eggs have not improved.

A couple weeks after this someone suggested we switch to a grain diet instead of pellets. We bought stuff from the local egg production farm (they sell it by the ton) and were told it was 14% protien. Several friends of ours told us this was all they fed their chickens and they laid eggs like crazy on it. So we tried it. I don't like the way it looks; it looks like budgie seed! The chickens seem to like it but I don't think feed is the problem because we have been feeding layer pellets for years and never had a problem.

Our rooster was getting beat up really bad by the hens so we gave him away and got a meaner rooster, LOL. He is firmer with the hens and doesn't put up with their bullying. But we thought he was being too rough on them so we got rtid of him. Now we don't have a rooster at all.

We have tried everything - new feed, clean nests, getting rid of the mice, putting them in the dark vs keeping the lights on all day and night, lights on a timer, different roosters, no roosters, spraying them with lice spray to get rid of the parasites - and we are stumped. This has never happened before and we don't know what to do. If it doesn't pick up soon we will have to kill them all because we can't afford to feed them if they don't lay. We have 36 chicks comming in in May and are thinking we should just start fresh.

Anyone have any ideas what is wrong with our chickens?
 
You stated that when they first started to molt that you boarded up the windows and turned off the lights for couple weeks ........ were the birds shut up(confined) during this time ? or did they have an open door to the outside ?
During molt chickens require a quality food w meat/fish protein and other quality products .


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If they were boarded up and not able to get out ............... then there's your answer .... it's a wonder that they all were not dead !!! i seriously doubt there were any eggs laid during this time


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When they first began to molt, we turned the lights off and boarded up the windows for a couple weeks to initiate molt in all of them. Then we took the blkinders of the windows and put the lights back on a timer. Then we started to notice birds dying. Just found dead on the floor, one every day or so. Some of them looked sickly and dumpy and skinny. Some looked like they had runny droppings.

Apparently I missed this little gem. Probably the reason that they just up and died on you is because of ammonia poisoning! They need LOTS of fresh air!!!!!!!!

Chickens *do* get kinda sickly looking when they are in a hard molt, but they shouldn't die. You need to feed EXTRA protein for a heavy molt. Most layer feed is 16% so if you reduced it to 14% on the new grain diet that may have been a hard hit on their poor little bodies!​
 
The windows were covered, but there are several air vents that we installed when we added on to the coop a couple years ago. The windows don't open anyway, other than the one on the screen door. Although the ammonia poisoning is an interesting thought. I never noticed it smelling any better or worse in there but it is pretty rancid, even though we clean out the droppings about every two weeks. What smelled the most, actually, was the mice. This winter there were literally THOUSANDS of them, and the place smelled of mice so bad I had to hold my breath in there. We tore everything up and seem to have the mice under control now. They were living in the insulation in the ceiling and walls. Could the mice have been contributing to this problem?

We have tried stints of both letting them outside all day for a couple weeks, and then keeping them indoors during the colder weather (it gets -20 to -30 celcius here sometimes and we noticed they tend to get frostbitten so we keep them in during the arctic outflow periods)

The thing is, we have been keeping our chickens on a certian diet for years (which is 17% layer pellets supplemented with rolled oats, cracked corn, and barley, and of course oystershell. ) During the warmer months they also get plenty of fresh veggies, grass clippings, and are allowed into the pasture to free-range when we are home to keep an eye on them. Our lights have always been on a 14 hour rotation. We de-lice all of them twice per year. With this method, we have NEVER had a problem until this fall. So something must have changed. We are trying all this different stuff but I'm not too sure if feed or mice or daylight is at the heart of the problem.

You have confirmed my fears about the feed. The moment I saw it I didn't trust it, but my parents were swayed by it because it was half the price of layer and all these people we know PROMISED us that their chickens did awesome on it. *facepalm* I raised quail for years and never fed them anything lower than 17%. Plus, the birds at the local egg warehouse are leghorns, which consume less feed, and they're stuffed in cages and don't get a chance to burn calories. They probably are not kept after their first molt anyway. It's beginning to make sense. Our neighbor feeds his chickens straight wheat with a helping of bran mash every evening and is trying to convince us this is the way to go, but we're not sure. he says layer is "crap" food, but our chickens have always done well on it.

So I am thinking we should switch them back to layer pellets and quit listening to our friends and put the lighting back to normal. Maybe with the increasing daylight outside it will kickstart them again. We really do want our birds to be healthy and happy and we put a lot of effort into it - but we just don't know where to focus that effort and what to do right now!

Any more thoughts or constructive advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks so much, on behalf of us and our birds
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We have had egg eaters in the past... but only the odd one here and there. I usually find peices of the shells and egg matter in the nests, and I look through the one with "egg on its face" and that one becomes soup. I havn't noticed any broken or eaten eggs in the past couple months though. (granted, there hasn't been many eggs to actually EAT)

There is one white hen in the group that has been broody forever. She sits on the nest literally all day. We pick her up and put her outside with the rest but she's quite persistant:)
 
It'll probably make your folks choke, but at this point I'd put them on flockraiser or gamebird either 20 or 22% and give oyster shell free choice for their calcium needs. Going thru molt and lowering their protien intake was hard on them and they need to be built back up. You should also give them a good going over to check for mites/lice and might consider worming them while production is down and it won't hurt as bad to toss the eggs for a couple of weeks. The older ladies are not likely to produce well again (I know there are exceptions, but prob. not 20 of them) so you might also want to think about thinning the flock. Fewer birds on a good diet will cost about the same as feeding all of them the cut rate feed--you'll get more eggs too. Hope things get better soon.
 

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