Hens or Roosters?

[MysteryChicken]

The birds shown are poor examples of the coloring expected from New Hampshire Reds. The "darker neck" statement simply isn't correct. Good quality NHR should have an almost golden looking neck. In the SOP this trait is described as "brilliant chestnut red." I have attached an image of a very nice quality New Hampshire Hen from Whiskey Gulf New Hampshires and sourced their gallery. Hatcheries have been quite bad at preserving the differences between PRs, RIRs, and NHR. Essentially they're all derived from almost exclusively RIRs, just bred to different purposes/standards. Many hatcheries have reduced this to just color difference, the lightest colored birds being labeled NHR, medium PR, and darkest RIR. Obviously this isn't ideal nor am I saying that's the only difference, but personally, these birds are quite light in coloration so both PR or NHR are plausible breeds.
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That makes more sense, since they're hatchery birds. The lighter body color actually looks better too me.
I'm picky when it comes to red Wheaten, a darker neck looks better on them.

Chesnut Red is a Dark Mahogany. The neck color of the SOP is misleading. It's more in of a Red Golden.

Dark Mahogany neck.

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

That makes more sense, since they're hatchery birds. The lighter body color actually looks better too me.
I'm picky when it comes to red Wheaten, a darker neck looks better on them.

Chesnut Red is a Dark Mahogany. The neck color of the SOP is misleading. It's more in of a Red Golden.

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I truly feel that discussing this is a bit futile, but chestnut red and mahogany red are not the same color. Mahogany red is the color commonly used for the color of a RIR. Think horses for example, chestnut red is nearly the same color as a NHR. Sort of an orange-y red. Mahogany is a much darker and deeper color. Obviously we could easily discuss the origins of the color and debate if it's the most accurate description, but in showing, it is understood as two distinct descriptions. In fact, in the SOP under disqualifications for RIR their color is advised to not appear "so light as to appear chestnut."

 

[MysteryChicken]

I truly feel that discussing this is a bit futile, but chestnut red and mahogany red are not the same color. Mahogany red is the color commonly used for the color of a RIR. Think horses for example, chestnut red is nearly the same color as a NHR. Sort of an orange-y red. Mahogany is a much darker and deeper color. Obviously we could easily discuss the origins of the color and debate if it's the most accurate description, but in showing, it is understood as two distinct descriptions. In fact, in the SOP under disqualifications for RIR their color is advised to not appear "so light as to appear chestnut."

Horses are different, & I know nothing about horse genetics.

Mahogany is the Red Gene in chickens, & the true color of Mahogany is expressed as Almost black, like that of a Exibitation Quality RIR. Chesnut is the Same.

Lighter red besides dark red Looks Rusty/dull, or slightly orange. Looks nothing like chestnut. Chesnut is named after the color of a chestnut.

Luckily I have an actual Chestnut.
Hazelnuts are a reddish color. So this would make more sense as a lighter red.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I like to keep colorations more accurate according to the name it derived from.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Not trying to argue.

This is also getting off topic abit.

 

[MysteryChicken]

I truly feel that discussing this is a bit futile, but chestnut red and mahogany red are not the same color. Mahogany red is the color commonly used for the color of a RIR. Think horses for example, chestnut red is nearly the same color as a NHR. Sort of an orange-y red. Mahogany is a much darker and deeper color. Obviously we could easily discuss the origins of the color and debate if it's the most accurate description, but in showing, it is understood as two distinct descriptions. In fact, in the SOP under disqualifications for RIR their color is advised to not appear "so light as to appear chestnut."

My book says the Disqualification is White in the plumage.