Here i go again.... 😅😅 Color problems

[tiktilaok]

Hi there! I hope everyone is doing well.. It is a pleasure to be in connection with once more.

I just want to seek help on identifying/confirming this color. I believe they are chocolate guineas(???). However, i am not quite sure if chocolate guineas have a somewhat purplish hue on their wings. Because these 2 birds do have it especially when light/sunlight hits their feathers. By the way, these hatched from our royal purple group. And with that said, pls allow me to proceed to another question... If they are chocolates, or even other color classification for that matter, and i want to breed them to produce more color like theirs, what would be the best pairing?
(1) chocolate(???) back to royal purple, or (2) chocolate(???) to chocolate(???)?
Also, if i remember things right, chocolate is sex-linked, and only males can transfer one copy of that choco gene. Please correct and educate me if i got it wrong.

By the way, i still am not sure if we have any males of this color fr0m other batches. Still difficult to identify gender since they are just a month old.

Pls help.... Thanks in advance.

 

[tiktilaok]

Hi there! I hope everyone is doing well.. It is a pleasure to be in connection with once more.

I just want to seek help on identifying/confirming this color. I believe they are chocolate guineas(???). However, i am not quite sure if chocolate guineas have a somewhat purplish hue on their wings. Because these 2 birds do have it especially when light/sunlight hits their feathers. By the way, these hatched from our royal purple group. And with that said, pls allow me to proceed to another question... If they are chocolates, or even other color classification for that matter, and i want to breed them to produce more color like theirs, what would be the best pairing?
(1) chocolate(???) back to royal purple, or (2) chocolate(???) to chocolate(???)?
Also, if i remember things right, chocolate is sex-linked, and only males can transfer one copy of that choco gene. Please correct and educate me if i got it wrong.

By the way, i still am not sure if we have any males of this color fr0m other batches. Still difficult to identify gender since they are just a month old.

Pls help.... Thanks in advance.

 

[R2elk]

Hi there! I hope everyone is doing well.. It is a pleasure to be in connection with once more.

I just want to seek help on identifying/confirming this color. I believe they are chocolate guineas(???). However, i am not quite sure if chocolate guineas have a somewhat purplish hue on their wings. Because these 2 birds do have it especially when light/sunlight hits their feathers. By the way, these hatched from our royal purple group. And with that said, pls allow me to proceed to another question... If they are chocolates, or even other color classification for that matter, and i want to breed them to produce more color like theirs, what would be the best pairing?
(1) chocolate(???) back to royal purple, or (2) chocolate(???) to chocolate(???)?
Also, if i remember things right, chocolate is sex-linked, and only males can transfer one copy of that choco gene. Please correct and educate me if i got it wrong.

By the way, i still am not sure if we have any males of this color fr0m other batches. Still difficult to identify gender since they are just a month old.

Pls help.... Thanks in advance.

If Chocolate is sex linked, males have two chocolate genes and females can only have one because it would be linked to the male chromosome. Unlike people, males have two male chromosomes (ZZ) while hens (ZW) have one male chromosome and one female chromosome.

The best results for producing more Chocolate guineas is to breed Chocolate to Chocolate.

They do appear to be Chocolate guineas but I cannot guarantee it because of the poor quality of the photos.

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Pretty birds! There is at least one old thread with pics on BYCs about chocolate guineas:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/are-these-chocolate-guineas.716536/

Some other colors to consider are bronze and cedar wing overlaid on chocolate… I haven’t had a chocolate guinea myself but might have a juvenile so I’m interested. The pics I’ve seen look to me a lot like a royal purple guinea with sun fading.

 

[tiktilaok]

Pretty birds! There is at least one old thread with pics on BYCs about chocolate guineas:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/are-these-chocolate-guineas.716536/

Some other colors to consider are bronze and cedar wing overlaid on chocolate… I haven’t had a chocolate guinea myself but might have a juvenile so I’m interested. The pics I’ve seen look to me a lot like a royal purple guinea with sun fading.

Hi there! Been busy lately that i have not gotten any chance to check on this post...
Anyway, when you say sun fading, is it literally fading due to sun exposure? Or is it just a term?
How about some of the 1mo old keets that are already of the same color as the ones posted and they still havent got out of their pens? That is IF by sun fading we mean due to sun exposure.

Thanks a ton!!

 

[tiktilaok]

If Chocolate is sex linked, males have two chocolate genes and females can only have one because it would be linked to the male chromosome. Unlike people, males have two male chromosomes (ZZ) while hens (ZW) have one male chromosome and one female chromosome.

The best results for producing more Chocolate guineas is to breed Chocolate to Chocolate.

They do appear to be Chocolate guineas but I cannot guarantee it because of the poor quality of the photos.

Thanks a lot! And sorry for the late response... Just been too occupied recently.

 

[R2elk]

Hi there! Been busy lately that i have not gotten any chance to check on this post...
Anyway, when you say sun fading, is it literally fading due to sun exposure? Or is it just a term?
How about some of the 1mo old keets that are already of the same color as the ones posted and they still havent got out of their pens? That is IF by sun fading we mean due to sun exposure.

Thanks a ton!!

Sun fading is cuased by exposure to the sun. Sun fading will be at its most right before the molt. Right after the molt sun fading is at its least.

 

[Mixed flock enthusiast]

Hi there! Been busy lately that i have not gotten any chance to check on this post...
Anyway, when you say sun fading, is it literally fading due to sun exposure? Or is it just a term?
How about some of the 1mo old keets that are already of the same color as the ones posted and they still havent got out of their pens? That is IF by sun fading we mean due to sun exposure.

Thanks a ton!!

Several of my birds show considerable sun fading. Violet is a color that seems like a dusky dark grey/purple when the feathers are new but, over the course of a year, the feather color gets more and more faded, until they molt and replace them with new feathers. This pic is of three hens in mid-molt. Violet is on the far right. You can see some dusky, pinkish feathers that are her old, sun faded ones. You can also see her new darker lavender/purple feathers coming in so she has a patchwork of colors. Left back is Starla mid-molt. She is slate colored and her feathers also faded to this lighter pinkish color (a lot of the pink on my birds is probably staining from dust bathing in our red clay soil!). Left foreground is a royal purple bird. You can see sun faded feathers on her back, near her head. The dark patchy spots on her wing are her new dark purple feathers.

This is Concord Pie. She’s also royal purple (I think), but she sun fades more than the other purples, maybe because of the pied influence? In this pic with the keet, she’s already replaced most of her old, sun-faded, pale beige-pink feathers with new purple feathers.

 

[tiktilaok]

Several of my birds show considerable sun fading. Violet is a color that seems like a dusky dark grey/purple when the feathers are new but, over the course of a year, the feather color gets more and more faded, until they molt and replace them with new feathers. This pic is of three hens in mid-molt. Violet is on the far right. You can see some dusky, pinkish feathers that are her old, sun faded ones. You can also see her new darker lavender/purple feathers coming in so she has a patchwork of colors. Left back is Starla mid-molt. She is slate colored and her feathers also faded to this lighter pinkish color (a lot of the pink on my birds is probably staining from dust bathing in our red clay soil!). Left foreground is a royal purple bird. You can see sun faded feathers on her back, near her head. The dark patchy spots on her wing are her new dark purple feathers.
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This is Concord Pie. She’s also royal purple (I think), but she sun fades more than the other purples, maybe because of the pied influence? In this pic with the keet, she’s already replaced most of her old, sun-faded, pale beige-pink feathers with new purple feathers.
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Thaaaaaanks! That was informative, not to mention the photos that you attached making it easier to grasp than just to imagine..

However, the gfowls in the photos are still < a year old. Say, 5 or 6 months maybe. Even the keets that still havent gotten out to pasture and/forage so they still have no direct sun exposure. By the way, these "chocolate" ones hatched out from our royal purple pen.
In one of my older post here in BYC, I mentioned that one was from the cinnamon gfowls, and the other one was from the RPs. But later on, we found out that it couldnt have been from the cinnamon gfowls, because we made a mistake and put birds that are of the same gender. So it was very much unlikely.. And now, all those "unknown" colored keets really hatched out of the RP group.. And this time we made sure that eggs wont be mixed up and/or mislabeled.
I attached a few of not-so-good photos of our keets that are 2months old.
The first 2 older gfowls in the photos are of the same color as these keets when they were this age.

 

[tiktilaok]

Sorry, i just remembered that have better photosin my other fone... Sending now...