Heritage Feeds for Heritage Breeds

[Jake Levi]

Jim thats a good program that you have, I have always had to use the old textbook squaring rations method, there is still one in Ensmingers Poultry Science.

 

[Cindy in PA]

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To super-simplify it, there is a problem in that it must be heated to a certain temp for a prolonged period to assure that a component that inhibits nutrition absorption is deactivated. Once that is accomplished, it may be wonderful and safe in amounts under 5% (depending on whom you ask) and not cause any difficulties. Some believe that the phytoestrogens it contains may be a problem and that it isn't worth the protein value in any amount. I just can't find a definitive answer because it all depends on who is paying for the study, so I just consider it better safe than sorry and leave it out altogether. I'm not going to find a good source here and don't want to grow it myself, so it's moot for me.

Dried Beans and Peas have a Trypsin Inhibitor in them, so your Austrian, Canadian and Maple Peas would have to be roasted (just like soybean) before feeding to any non-ruminate animal.

Chris

Never saw that peas need to be roasted. What about your pigeon grains, do you roast them before feeding? Only thing I have ever seen on peas and lentils, is to keep them under 30% of feed. Peas have always been raw, as they sprout.

 

[Jake Levi]

I never cooked peas for pigeons, I dont know anyone who does.

Locally in our ad papers lentils are offered at 8 cents a pound, I'd sure want to add them in, one thing about making your own ration is being able to take advantage of good feed stuff buys. Besides stocking up on your own home supply.

 

[Chris09]

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Dried Beans and Peas have a Trypsin Inhibitor in them, so your Austrian, Canadian and Maple Peas would have to be roasted (just like soybean) before feeding to any non-ruminate animal.

Chris

Never saw that peas need to be roasted. What about your pigeon grains, do you roast them before feeding? Only thing I have ever seen on peas and lentils, is to keep them under 30% of feed. Peas have always been raw, as they sprout.

They should be already roasted when you buy them from the mill (at least the ones that have a high Trypsin Inhibitor).

Chris

 

[CluckyJay]

What kind of minerals are you feeding your chickens? I am going to keep mine penned until they hatch out enough babies to replace predator losses.

I am making my own feed but am at a loss as to the minerals to feed my hens. I know they can "survive" the winter on basically crap but I am really looking into and developing my own feed. I can handle just about everything but what to use as a mineral source is evading me. I am having success so for after examining carcasses for growth/parasites. BUT, they are free range so they get a lot of good stuff that I am not seeing.

Occasionally I see them go after my loose goat minerals but I worry about them getting too much copper, among other things.

I need to read this whole thread but haven't found the time to go through it.

Getting all the people and animals ready for winter takes a lot of time, LOL.

 

[gallopingfrog]

Speaking of blood meal (like 3 weeks ago). Is there anything you can substitute for it? Does anyone recommend doing that, or just feeding them the blood meal? I'm just curious because it seems a little icky, but obviously its proven to do its job. What do you you all think?

Edited for the inability to write something grammatically correct.

 

[CluckyJay]

Has anyone popped milo for their chickens? You can compress it to increase it storage ability. I am trying it out with my chickens and goats. It seems pretty nice so far.

 

[Jake Levi]

Re blood meal, I have used it but just personal bias prefer to feed the just as icky meat meal.

Reading an economic report today it pointed out that " grain prices have soared this year over last years prices due to increased demand of a not as plentiful product".

This has GOT to be impacting feed prices this fall and winter. I am going to be trying to locate all of the locally available grains that I can. Or at least regional produced. And next year I am going to try hard to grow as much as I can.

 

[Cindy in PA]

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Never saw that peas need to be roasted. What about your pigeon grains, do you roast them before feeding? Only thing I have ever seen on peas and lentils, is to keep them under 30% of feed. Peas have always been raw, as they sprout.

They should be already roasted when you buy them from the mill (at least the ones that have a high Trypsin Inhibitor).

Chris

Right and that is not field peas.

 

[Chris09]

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They should be already roasted when you buy them from the mill (at least the ones that have a high Trypsin Inhibitor).

Chris

Right and that is not field peas.

Depends on the field pea cultivar, Trypsin inhibitor activity (TIA) in New Zealand grown pea cultivars ranged from 0.33 to 0.75 TIU/mg DM and that was much lower than what was recorded in European cultivar's.

http://pubs.acs.org :

Seed samples of 17 field pea cultivars grown at 5 locations and 9 grass pea lines grown at 2 locations in western Canada during 1993 and 1994 were analyzed for trypsin inhibitor activity (TIA). TIAs in field pea differed significantly among cultivars. Mean TIA in field pea ranged from 2.22 trypsin inhibitor unit (TIU) mg-1 of dry matter (DM) for Danto to 7.66 TIU mg-1 of DM for Baroness. Cultivar accounted for more of the total variability (55%) in field pea than environment (18%). TIAs in grass pea did not differ among cultivars or environments. The mean TIA was 27.51 TIU mg-1 of DM for the grass pea lines tested. The correlation between the levels of TIA and seed yield was near zero in field pea and grass pea

Chris​