House Divided by Religion

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Wow hon, you are living under a burden that would break most people. As much as I would like to believe that this problem is about religion I think it's fairly obvious (if you are honest with yourself) that the religion is an excuse to do as he pleases. I really hate to be blunt but since you asked for advise from friends (and I always try to be honest with my friends) I feel that (I want to say this sooo gently) your husband made a choice a while ago that did not include you and he is fine with that choice. Honey (I have children your age so forgive me if I talk to you like one of my own) if he still loved you and the kids, if you still mattered to him you wouldn't be having to fight or beg or try to reason with him with nothing but adamate refusal to compromise, or even have a sane discussion, coming from him.
When you tell the story of the breakfast thing it is extremely obvious that your suspicions are correct. He manipulated the whole event knowing how you would react because he had no intention from the get-go of having breakfast with you or of spending any time with you. The entire conversation was to try to place blame on you when he knew what he was doing was wrong. Only the guilty go through those kinds of pains to try to shift responsibility for their guilt onto others. I don't think it will be long before he tells you the truth about how he feels, or rather how little he feels for you and the children these days. The way he is going about it makes me think that there is a mental illness of some kind (especially when he and/or his family obviously had some issues earlier in life) but the fact remains that he has turned his heart away from his family and the harder you try to hang on the more likely it is that he will pull away harder.
He is treating you horribly and you are giving him permission to do so. It is a terrible thing to consider living a new life without the person you expected to grow old with but I'm afraid what you are living now is not a life fit for anyone, especially not those girls that are being harrased and made to feel like they are "less than" another human being. A cult or a new religion could not make a person turn away from the family they love if the person was committed to that family. Even if he is not having an affair with another woman he has already chosen others over you and the kids.
Life does exist after a breakup. In fact leaving my first husband was the best move I ever made! You have accepted that life has to be stressful and bleak so you aren't truly aware of how heavy a burden you are carrying! When you do leave it may seem like the end but very quickly you will realize how much lighter you feel! Like you can finally breathe! I hesitate to say what a wonderful man I am married to now because I didn't leave my first marriage looking for a better mate nor should anyone! It takes time to learn who you are again after leaving an abusive relationship (don't kid yourself the psychological abuse can be worse than the physical) or any relationship really. But in learning to get to know and love yourself again you will naturally demand more from life in the future and that makes it less likely that you will repeat the same mistakes. I loved being single and never even thought about getting married again. Life can be blissful when you have your wonderful children for company. Other healthy relationships will naturally develop over time as well.
Human beings will often try to push the other person away first when they want out of a relationship. It is a chicken "bleep" way of ending a relationship and they often aren't even being honest with themselves about what they are doing. But staying out all night etc, etc, is an obvious ploy to get a negative reaction from you so that when you react with anger he has an "excuse" to pull away. If that didn't make you angry he would just push even harder since what he wants is separation. If you didn't get angry at all he would use your weakness as an excuse to separate himself from you. The sad thing is he will most likely become attracted to you again once you get the courage up to value yourself enough to leave him. When you see yourself as a valuable person that deserves much better he will likely see that too but I hope you don't ever return. His mental state is not stable and his whims will likely change again once he has you back and is able to start taking you for granted once more. His real problem is himself and he will never make a good mate while that is still an issue.
This is a very hard thing to discuss in a short cut version so I apologize for the lengthy post. If you are not ready to hear any of this then chalk up my whole rant to senility and get on with your life. I wish you nothing but the best as most all of the posters here obviously do as well! Good luck in whatever you decide!!!
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I have read every post on this subject . It seems as if you are getting some good advice....yet no-one has touched completely on the fact that when BOTH of you were married you BOTH took a vow . It is a fact that after 2 years of matrimonial bliss , things tend to slow down . Both partners get into a comfort zone . This is NO excuse for your husband though . It seems to me ( at least by your info on your posts ) that he is lacking something within himself . For someone to go from barely any religion , to extremely over doing it is a major red flag . Keep in mind that some are weak..... when rough times come about , they turn to anything they can grasp . Is it wrong for him to find a new religion...no . Is it wrong to find one and push it onto you and your children after marriage...yes . If he's serious about his religion and passing it on.....he should present it in a different way to you . If you don't agree with it...it's your choice , and he should keep in mind that the kids have been raised a different way before his " awakening " . It sounds as if he is very confused about his life now . I would try to talk with him again about it , after finding out all of the facts about his new " religion " . Try this approach ( that is if you haven't already ) . Ask him in a very non-combative voice how his meeting went . Make it seem like you do actually care ( maybe that's what he's lacking ) it will get him talking about what you don't agree with . Remember to tell him you're glad he got to have that experience ( in a non-confrontational tone ) and tell him all about the good things the kids did today . As long as you keep a peaceful mind on your confrontations with him....then you can determine if this relationship will last . If he responds to your calm natured talking , then you might get the problem solved , if not , then life goes on because you tried and you are a strong woman . I truly do feel for you ....you need to look out for yourself first...I know it sounds selfish , but without you...the kids won't have anything .

As a side note , my friends husband just told me that his wife of 16 yrs wants a divorce and wants nothing to do with the kids . She moved out , the dad is working 2 hours away , and she broke into the house to take everything . She even ripped the 52" flat screen off the wall ( left a big hole in the wall , house is only 2 yrs old that the husband built ) . Dropped the tv , broken glass all over , proceeded to drag the broken tv over the hardwood flooring , and left . She even took the Wii . She had just bought a video game for her 14 yr old for christmas and took that .

People are VERY strange . Leave them to their own devices and most will destroy their own lives . Look in the mirror and ask yourself if who you are is what you want to be....that is my reality check .

I also would guess that your husband is having an affair , but that is just my guess . I'm not in your shoes living your life . It sounds to me that your husband is unhappy and feels a need to over compinsate by "finding religion " . I know you said he won't go to a therapist...and I'm usually the one to say no to that idea..... but it seems as if he has no one to turn to except these others. What he really needs is to delve deep inside himself to find exactly what he is lacking . I am not extremely religious , I don't go to church , but I pray twice a day . My grandpa always preached that a church need not consist of four walls , as long as you prayed and believed in HIM .
I will pray for you that you get the best out of life that you deserve . So many times we cry to GOD " why did this happen ?" . It may take years , but if you're cunning enough to evaluate your life , you'll see why . Best of luck to you.....you seem like a good , decent person that wants what everyone does....just to live and do the best you can .

Take care ,
Marisa
 
I grew up similar to Cetawin. We chose our paths we wanted to follow, and whatever that was everyone else respected. No arguements, No fights. However my ex husband was another story. It started VERY much like yours, and we were the same age then that you are now. I will gladly share the details of my story if you feel the need to ask. Just PM me. It may help sort some things out for you. Now on to your story...

I don't think this has anything to do with religion. I am worried about your safety. There were some things you mentioned later on that gives me a clue. He is probably seeing another group member, and they are covering for him. This group is a cult. I know the name of it, but again feel free to PM me. I don't want to lump people who are in legitimate religions with the one I believe you are speaking about. They are similar in small ways, but as a whole they are NOT.
The stories this group is having your DH tell you are meant to scare you. Those are big RED flags. Do not ever let them alone with your children again. Please get away from them. I know you stated trying to go to counseling. He won't go, no matter what you try. He won't go. That doesn't mean you can't go with your children. So please do, and invite him when you do, but try not to be disappointed when he refuses.

I could say so much more here, but I'll again say feel free to PM me. I know what is eventually going to happen ( hopefully, he'll come around.), I've been there. All I can offer is advice, and an ear to listen. I do feel this is to the point it's a safety issue for you, so please update us when you can.

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Maybe she is busy with the kids. I am sure she will let us know something soon.
 
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I feel for you!
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My parents sound somewhat similar to your husband. They were great parents as I was growing up (I am the oldest). When I was in my teens they started changing. To make a very long story short, my mother created what I call a cult (but was/isn't very successful, thankfully). It basically consists of my parents, my brother, their 8 adopted children, and a very few who they manage to pull in. They have some pretty wacky ideas. I do not have a relationship with them. My other brother and my sister are able to visit with them, but I have no tolerance for them. They are very unkind people who treat others poorly (an understatement) because the rest of the world (including Christians, which I am) do not follow their ideals on Christianity to a tee. I don't understand how they base their ideals on Christianity, but I guess that's part of the cult behavior. I find my mother to be a very dangerous, persuasive person. I so feel for you and will keep you in my prayers! I really hope your hubby can somehow come around! He should not put the others in his religious group above his wife and children. He needs to be communicating with you -- more than you can't eat bread or no Christmas or Easter! It sounds like he's in a very unhealthy relationship with the group! More
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Sorry for making everyone wait for a responce.
I sat down with him after he got home. Or atlease I tried to talk to him. I pleaded with him heavily but nothing was enough it seemed. He was reluctant to talk and even asked me to leave him alone. But I didnt leave him alone and kept trying to discuss things with him. After a while I asked him "Would you just do everything they tell you that you should do" they being the people he goes to service with. And he said that he only does what he agrees with. I then asked him if they told him to do something like sacrafice his first born, in the name of god for whatever reason. Or if God himself told him to do it. Would he? And his answer was "I dont know". Wrong answer. I got up, and started packing my things. Me and the kids are now moved out. I still have some things I need to move but it will have to wait till my grandmother gets off work. Cause she's my form of transportation right now.
He tried to get me to stay and I told him the only way I would stay is if he gave it all up. Stopped going to the services and stopped associating with the people involved. He wont do that so its over between us. I hate to have to result to asking that of him. It was not something I wished to demand out of him. But I dont see any other way. There's no way I can continue living my life like that, and if Im with him I will have to live my life like that. So its over. I gave him a choice, an option, and he choose what mattered most.
 
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