House size vs # of chickens

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Ok, we have 9 chickens, all full grown.
We are adding 4 pullets in June after they are done reaching an age that they can be out in the run with the big girls.
We have a decent house we built last year. 2 roosts, 3 nesting boxes, about 4 ft x 4 ft floor space for the house and roosts and is 4 ft high with the nesting boxes attached to the side.
Hubby wants to build a new house being that we are adding 4 more chickens.
I am in charge of finances and I am not sure if we can afford to do so before the newbies arrive in 6 weeks.
I need to know if the house is large enough for 13 chickens or do we just need to bite the bullet and build a new one?

They only use 1 roost right now, 1 chicken sits on the floor(she is low girl on totem pole) and then others rotate thru sleeping in nesting boxes or perch on the ends that overhang into the house. Technically, there is 1 whole roost unused at this point.

They are locked up in the house at dark when they go in and let out about 7am in the morning, so really are only in the house during roosting hours OR when they need to use the boxes for egg-laying.
 
Ummmm.... your coop is already too small for 9 chickens. 4 sq. feet per chicken = 36 square feet. 4x4 = 16 square feet. I have a 4x8 coop with 9 chickens and I'm pushing it at 32 square feet. Luckily, I have two other coops, one of which two of the hens use at night. I built the 4x8 coop because the coop they WERE using was too small for the number of chickens I had.... Coop #1 is an A-Frame, with 15 square feet upstairs and 15 square feet downstairs as an enclosed pen; the 2 sisters sleep in and most of the hens use to lay their eggs upstairs. My two ducks sleep in the downstairs pen. Coop #2 is an eBay coop kit, only 2.5 ft by 5 ft, and 7 chickens crowded into it at night. So I built Coop #3, the 4x8 coop.

And that's just coop floor space, not counting what chickens should have as total space (which is about 10 sq ft apiece) counting coop and run.
 
Yeah, you really are pushing it if you have standard size chickens. Even conservative spacing of 2 sq ft per bird (and that isn't good spacing for healthy, happy chickens!) would mean you would have to have 26 square feet. And the birds need about 12" per bird of roost space...not really feasible in a 4x4 coop. I would say that if you want more chickens, you really NEED more space, not just want it. As it is, your birds are a bit over crowded now, even at the sub-par 2 sq ft rule.

Just looked at your signature, and realized you are getting a Jersey. We have one too, and she is much bigger than the standard birds. While your EE may be 4-6 pounds, your Jersey girl could reach 10 lbs! Look around in craigs list, etc for building materials or sheds, playhouses, etc that you may be able to build a new coop for your girls...you will definitely need it:)
 
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How long have you had your 9 full-grown hens? How has your space management worked out, especially in the winter?

It seems to me that if they are truely free-ranging during daylight hours and you don't have harsh winters, 9 hens in a 4x4 isn't out of the question. I agree that thirteen hens in that coop would be really pushing it though...

As with most things, you need to tailor your management practices to suit your own flock's needs.

Good luck!
 
I think ColoradoMike hit the right answer. It depends on your management practices. If you use your coop for roosting and laying eggs with feeding and watering outside, you can get by with a lot less than the recommended 4 sq ft in the coop and 10 sq ft in the run per bird rule. But if you leave them in there for any length of time during their waking hours, you could have serious problems.

The minimum recommended roosting space is 8" per full sized bird. It is not that they take up 8" when they are roosting, but they spread their wings and flap when they mount the roost and they jostle for position. They will wind up leaving most of the roost not used when they are actually sleeping, but they need the extra space to get on the roost and get positioned next to their buddy.

I'll include a write-up I did for another post on space requirements for chickens. It might help you. I would probably build another coop, at least big enough for them to roost, have a nest box, and a small space for food and water while you keep them locked in it until they figure it is home.

Good luck!!!

As long as you have enough height for the roosts to be noticeably higher than the nest boxes, height does not matter to chickens. They are basically ground dwelling birds, so the ground area is all that really matters space wise. I said it does not matter to the chickens. It does matter to me if I have to work in there. It matters quite a bit.

If the nest boxes are high enough off the ground that the chickens can easily get under them, then nest boxes do not take away from the space available. The tops of the nesting boxes does not add to the living space either although they may occasionally be up there. Ground level is what counts.

Some of the things that make up the space requirement are, in my opinion:

1. Personal space for the birds. They have different personalities and different individual requirements. Some are very possessive of personal space and some can share.

2. Access to feeder and waterer. The general recommendation is that they all be able to eat at one time, but access to the waterer is also important. Part of this is that they seem to like to all eat at once but not necessarily drink at the same time. Part of it is that a dominant bird may keep others from eating or drinking, especially with limited access.

3. Being able to put the feeder and waterer where they will not poop in it when they roost.

4. Roost space. They not only need to have enough room to roost, they need to have enough room for them to sort out who gets to sleep next to whom and who gets the prime spots. They also need enough room to get on the roosts and get off them. When they get on, they may jump from some midway support or fly directly to the roost, but either way, they like to spread their wings. And some chickens seem to enjoy blocking the entry points if there are limits. And when they get off, mine tend to want to fly down, not jump to a halfway point. They need room to fly down without bumping into feeders, waterers, nesting boxes, or a wall.

5. Poop load. The larger area they have the less often you have to actively manage the poop. They poop a lot while on the roost so you may have to give that area special consideration, but mucking out the entire coop can be backbreaking work plus you have to have some place to put all that bedding and poop. In my opinion, totally cleaning out the coop is something that needs to happen as seldom as possible.

6. How often are they able to get out of the coop. The more they are confined to the coop, the larger the personal space needs to be. The normal recommendation on this forum is 4 square feet per full sized chicken with a minimum of 10 square feet of run per bird. This additional requirement outside is sometimes not mentioned. How often they are allowed out of the coop may depend on a lot more than just weather. Your work schedule, when you are able to turn them loose, what time of day you open the pop door to let them out or lock them up at night, all this and more enters into the equation. The 4 square feet recommendation assumes they will spend extended time in the coop and not be able to get in the run. What that extended time can safely be depends on a lot of different factor so there is no one correct length of time for everyone.

7. Do you feed and water in the coop or outside. The more they are outside, the less pressure on the size of the coop.

8. The size of the chicken. Bantams require less room than full sized chickens. This has to be tempered by breed and the individual personalities. Some bantams can be more protective of personal space than others, but this is also true of full sized breeds.

9. The breed of the chicken. Some handle confinement better than others.

10. The number of chickens. The greater the number of chickens, the more personal space they can have if the square foot per chicken stays constant. Let me explain. Assume each chicken occupies 1 square foot of space. If you have two chickens and 4 square feet per chicken, the two chickens occupy 2 square feet, which leaves 6 square feet for them to explore. If you have ten chickens with 4 square feet per chicken, each chicken has 30 unoccupied square feet to explore. A greater number also can give more space to position the feeders and waterers properly in relation to the roosts and provide access. I’m not encouraging you to crowd your birds if you have a large number of them. I’m trying to say you are more likely to get in trouble with 4 square feet per chicken if you have very few chickens.

11. What is your flock make-up. A flock with more than one rooster may be more peaceful if it has more space. I don't want to start the argument about number or roosters here as I know more than one rooster can often peacefully coexist with a flock, but I firmly believe more space helps.

12. What is the maximum number of chickens you will have. Consider hatching chicks or bringing in replacements. Look down the road a bit.

I'm sure I am missing several components, but the point I'm trying to make is that we all have different conditions. There is no magic number that suits us all. The 4 square feet in a coop with 10 square feet in the run is a good rule of thumb for a minimum that, most of the time, will keep us out of trouble, but not always. I do believe that more is better both in the coop and in they run.
 
They have a 20 x 10 covered run where they spend 90% of their day, dawn to roost. Their food and water is out there and they are let out to free-range on our 1/4 acre lot when we are out there with them so basically all weekend and several afternoons per week, weather permitting.
We are in Pacific Northwest, so winters are wet and cold but not bad.
We clean out the house weekly and they only use it for roosting at night. I wake them up opening the door for the day.
Nesting boxes are attached outside the house with access from inside.

We have decided to build a new house this weekend and take several more to finish it. It will double their current house space and we have found a reuse it place that has decent prices on plywood and 2 x 4's to get it done at a price we can afford right now.

Thanks for the help!

As for the birds, they have been fine in their current house. They all have their space preferred for roosting and we havent had any issues with sickness or stuff like that so far. I think part is we have lots of venting on the house for air movement. We have a special built roof so we can prop it open for air circulation if needed while the girls are still secure and safe and we do several days a week.
And, it is completely cleaned out every weekend and new bedding installed.

Our chicken inspector that issued us the permit felt it was adaquate enough for 12 birds with our setup and that was with a 10 x 10 pen at the time. If we upgraded pen and house we could have more birds, which is what we are doing.
 
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WHAAA-T now I'm confused, I thought it was 2-3 feet of floor space inside per chicken and 3-5 in the run. I have 5 in a 15 square foot coop. So what is right?
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Wait here is the recommended space here in chickens 101...so I guess if you can the more room the better but I based my numbers on this hope its right.
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Chicken Care After First 60 Days, General Chicken Care:
Chicken Coops - Once feathered out you'll want to move your chickens into a chicken coop! Rule of thumb is about 2-3 square feet per chicken inside the henhouse and 4-5 sq/ft per chicken in an outside run. Keep local predators in mind and make a safe home for your flock!
Flooring - Pine shavings work best. You can even try the deep litter method for even less maintenance.
Food & water - Most people go with chicken layer feed / pellets. You can even make a homemade chicken feeder / waterer
 

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