How do I make Barred Turkens??

[Bleenie]

How would one go about creating a LF barred turken?

I'm not much on the genetics and all that but I havent ever seen any (barred turken)eggs for sale in the forum so i figured i should see if maybe its something i can make myself..

any help is appreciated

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

The easy way would be to get a black or blue naked neck hen and breed that to a barred rock rooster. All offspring will be black or blue barred depending on what color hens you use. Once you get a barred naked neck bird just cross it to barred rocks until you get better barring and you are set. If you want to breed to naked neck standards you would select for type too but since it sounds like you just want a barred turken that would be the easy way.

 

[Kev]

Yep what he said.. starting with black or blue turkens x something barred is best.

Don't have to cross back to the barred breed, can go ahead and mate barred naked neck with barred naked neck and you will get some males pure for barring and naked neck out of this.

Barring is sex linked so hens are either barred or not barred at all. Roosters can either have one or two(pure) copies of barring.. roosters with only one usually look "dark"- blacker with less barring. Roosters pure for barring are much lighter- either more bars, or bars are wider/whiter and the black can look "grey".

If you only have buff or orange turkens(very typical of hatchery stock) you still can use a barred rock but in the later generations you will need to select against birds leaking color on them like buff or white showing up on the breast in hens or saddles/hackles of roosters.

If you have a white turken with yellow legs, chances are it has barring. Barring often is added to white chickens when yellow legs are required as barring can a good job at giving clean yellow legs. I crossed my bantam white turken with yellow legs with a black hen, sure enough, all chicks are barred.

 

[Bleenie]

I have this chick out of my last hatch, he is BR/EE, blue barred. He is pea-combed w/pink legs, but i guess single comb is standard for Turkens, right?

i have some blue turken eggs coming in the mail this coming week. Would it work if i bred him to the turken hens later on?

If i bred him to the blue & black hens would it still create sex-linked chicks?

or would it be too much to breed out with the EE in there? just wanted to ask since i already had this guy.

Would it be best to get a nice, yellow legged, single comb BR rooster?


ETA: by breeding with barred will i get only males or female that are barred? or both?

 

[Bleenie]

Is it possible to make a true-breeding Red/Buff Barred Turken? if so, how?

Sorry for all the questions!! I just really love these birds and am so excited to finally be getting some more. I want them in every color!

Also, I don't want them for just vanity reasons, i would love to breed them true to show standards, at least that way they would be helping pay for feed in some way.

 

[Kev]

Want to start with that yes, turken(Naked Neck, some get bothered if "turken" is used.. so use NN if talking to show people, just in case) standard does call for single comb. And yellow legs. Yellow legs is simply yellow skin combined with gene (Id) for "no pigmentation in the skin". However, barring also has the side effect of repressing pigmentation in the legs so a barred can have either all clear or mostly clear legs without Id being present.

Turkens with yellow legs are not very common. Most of hatchery stock and also backyard stock have either green, blue or dark legs. (btw green legs is yellow skin without Id, blue legs is white skin without Id). I would not be very surprised if your new blues come with dark color legs.. BUT if they have yellow legs, they are very precious stock! (and talk to me privately if they do have yellow legs, please. Would like stock matching standard in my flock too..)

For breeding fun, you can do anything you want with them of course. Not worrying about the right leg color will make your color projects a lot easier, especially if you didn't get any yellow leg birds. You can make red/buff turkens, easily, probably much easier than barred turkens.. just cross your blue barred boy with any red or buff turken hen.. then keep a son from this cross and breed him with a red or buff turken hen and you will get red or buff barred turkens. Pretty straightforward. However, be aware that barring shows best on black or more darkly pigmented feather so buff and red barreds likely won't have as clear and crisp barring but they are still very beautiful.

For show standards, you will have to try for yellow leg stock, this will be harder. Black turkens with yellow legs is on a different base than black in other chickens so you cannot cross with say a barred rock to try for black turkens with yellow legs.. they will pretty much all have dark colored legs. This is because the black base of barred rocks is completely different from a yellow legged black.. the legs are yellow on barred rocks only because it is a side effect of the barring gene.. magically take away the barring, their legs will suddenly turn solid black too.

For sex linked mating, it has to be the hen with the sex linked gene and the rooster not having it. For example, black rooster x barred hen, will be sex linked(all sons barred all daughters black). But if you reverse it to barred rooster and black hen, ALL of the offspring will be barred, in both sexes.

 

[92caddy]

Im reading all of this Im getting confussed, but then that dont take much. I'll have to reread it all again.

I have turkens, I dont like the name naked neck, I would rather call them turkens. Wonder why they prefer the "NN" term?

I have some stanard size that I crossed with my cuckoo marans roo, I really like the color of them chicks.

Im thinking that some of my turkens have white legs. What does that mean, if anything? I'll have to look better tomorrow.

I have white bantam turkens and their legs are almost egg yoke yellow, is that a good thing?

I would love to have some PURE bantam turkens in different colors, black, red and what ever colors they come in.

I would like to have some black birds with the black legs, could you help me find some of them or make some?

I have a few that are all "NN", no bow tie, I would like to make more of them.

 

[Kev]

In the poultry breed standard, Naked Neck is used for the breed. Turken is pretty much the slang name for them.. it's from "turkey and chicken", as people either think/thought they were a mix of the two species or look like a "turkey- chicken" because of the neck. When talking to serious show people it is better to use NN as some of them feel strongly that this is the "real name".

White legs is white skin with Id.. The Id gene stops pigments from showing up in a specific skin layer in the legs.. so a white skinned bird with Id has white legs. If they did not have Id, they would have had blue legs.

White turkens with very yellow legs ARE good. White is an accepted color in the NN standard. So basically these are the ones matching the Show Standard.

I would like turkens in other colors but with yellow legs too. Especially black(or blue) with yellow legs. I had some, but did not know they would be so hard to find nowdays and did not keep breeding them. Oh man.

Black birds with black legs are very easy to make. You can get some of them out of your cuckoo marans cross birds.. cross two of them together and the ones without the barring should have black legs too. Or cross one of the naked necked ones from this cross with a solid black chicken and you will get some black legged blacks.

There is someone on here who has very nice looking blue turkens with dark legs.. if you get some eggs from him you should get a few blacks with black legs. His name is... not sure of spelling, jmhappycowboy? He sells eggs pretty often in the sell section.

To get totally clean necks, you have to breed them together or breed with one with a tiny bowtie. However.. do those totally bare necks of yours have a single comb or a pea comb?

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

For show standards, you will have to try for yellow leg stock, this will be harder. Black turkens with yellow legs is on a different base than black in other chickens so you cannot cross with say a barred rock to try for black turkens with yellow legs...

Hi! The ASOP calls for black Naked Necks to have black shanks and toes --- yellow shanks and toes on red, white, and buff Naked Necks.

Have fun. Can't wait to see Barred Naked Necks!

Lisa​

 

[92caddy]

Thanks for the info.

My turkens have the single comb, I do have some with pea combs, they came from a friend that had her birds running with silkies, some of those have the purple skin like a silkie, they are in a pen out in the barn away from my true turkens.

I have some black marans I could mix with the tukens to try to get the all black w/ black legs.?

It took me awhile to get the all "NN" and when I breed those together, I get so many all feathered neck and so many bow ties and so many all "NN".

I was thinking about trying to make a "NN marans", wonder what the marans people would think of that? hehehhe