How do I make Barred Turkens??

[Bleenie]

Jmhappycowboy is who i am getting my eggs from. he has some pics up in the eggs FS section. theyre just beautiful, a lot of dark legs.

he said he crossed with a blue orp roo to get the BBS coloring. and still gets the occassional feather-neck chick. and some red with lots of blue. i really like them anyway. Nice big, healthy looking birds and great layers too he said.

I had a little white NN hen but she had the pink/white legs. i got rid of her when i reduced a while ago for winter(i know, early). she was bantam and i want to stick to standard size chickens..mostly anyway.

I have seen tons of barred NN's online but none locally, even a pea-combed version that lays colored eggs. i can't seem to find any on here either..

92Caddy, you should def. get some of those Turken eggs from James.

 

[Bleenie]

If my starting stock is dark legged, how would i go about achieving the yellow legs in the black barreds? will it be easier to breed this into the red/buff barred NN's? Would it be easier to achieve the desired color THEN go for the leg color & other improvements?
(FN= Feather Neck)


Will someone please tell me if this is right, or do i have it all wrong?

BR ROO X Blk/Blu NN Hens = Solid & Barred Offspring (FN & NN)
From this breeding i would breed:
Barred NN X Barred NN = Blk/Blu Barred Offspring

Would I still have some FN's in the last offspring? can i continue to breed NN X NN to 'outbreed' the trait? Also, would I need to breed back to a BR to improve barring if needed?

For breed standard, what type of neck feathering is most desireable?

I am going at this totally blind, i have never done a breeding project for so many goals before, usually just for fun. and I am also not familiar with all the genetics for leg color and such.

 

[faykokoWV]

After reading this, I'm confused on my NN (sorry if this is a hi-jack)

She started out yellow with grey and white splotches. Now she's mostly a blue/black color (not true black, but like a gunmetal grey)
Her flight feathers are white and she has yellow legs with black down the front like a BR has. Are these good qualities or bad? would this be a chick easier to breed for barring?

I'll have to go out and take a picture of her tonight and put it on here. she 8 weeks old and darn hard to catch during the day.

 

[Kev]

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Hi! The ASOP calls for black Naked Necks to have black shanks and toes --- yellow shanks and toes on red, white, and buff Naked Necks.

Have fun. Can't wait to see Barred Naked Necks!

Lisa

Whoa, really? I missed that! Thanks for the correction, Lisa and this does make me happy- yellow legged blacks are hard to make!

 

[Kev]

Bleeinie and 92caddy, please disregard yellow legs on blacks- Lisa let me know that for blacks, black legs are accepted. This is good as this is much easier than making yellow legged blacks, for sure. Jmhappycowboy's turkens do look very nice- really like the type and feathering on those birds.

Very sorry about that mess up.

 

[Kev]

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Barring also has the side effect of repressing pigmentation in the legs. It IS the barring that makes the legs on Barred Rocks yellow. It does not always do a complete job though, as BR hens have speckled legs(this is also linked to the fact that barring is sex linked which means hens can only ever have one barring gene. Two barring genes really "cleans up" the legs.. that is why BR roosters often have solid yellow legs).

For yellow legged barreds all you pretty much need to do is introduce yellow skin. Then the barring will help with getting yellow legs.


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About the same, just bred different ways after the first cross. For buff/red barred you cross back to a red/buff bird.. that's it. Ditto for cuckoo/barred, except when dealing with black birds, there can be some problems with color leaking on blacks. However if you have a solid black or solid blue and cross with a BR, color leakiness should be a problem.

For colors other than black(and blue), you really want yellow legged stock.. this will make things easier most of the time. Part of the reason is because the gene Id, which helps make the legs yellow on a yellow leg buff,is a dominant gene. Breeding blue/green/black legs together won't ever give yellow legged birds.

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From this, ALL offspring will be barred. IF the NN is pure for NN then ALL chicks will be NN.. but also all will have the big bowties.

IF the hen is not pure for NN then chicks will be half NN half FN.


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Yes some FN. but only at a ratio of 1 out of 4 chicks. You will be able to tell which chicks are pure NN and not pure NN at hatching.. here is a picture showing the bow tie size difference.. these are both blues and siblings, the one on the left has a huge bowtie so she is not pure. The one on right has a small bowtie plus more visible naked areas(like lower neck, some of the breast area, and a naked space between eye and beak etc) and she is pure.

All you have to do is keep the small bowtie NN with barring chicks and you are set.


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Totally bare necks are preferred in the standard, with small bowties being allowed. It is a very common myth that only the ones with totally bare necks are the ones pure and any with bowties are not pure.. Most pure NN have bowties, just a small one with few feathers on each side of neck. It is the ones with very large bowties with the feathers hiding the lower front of neck, crop that are not pure.

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It IS fun! It will be excellent way to learn and understand genetics along with working on your goals. This is the way I came to learn genetics- hands on learning..

 

[faykokoWV]

I've been thinking about this thread and what I can do with my little NN. What do you get if you cross a SLW roo with a blue NN?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

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You will get a rose combed bird that will have very primitive lacing. Some females will look solid black/bue with very little white showing. The best thing to do would be to find a single combed SLW rooster, breed him to splash naked neck (if you can find some) then take the females from that and mate them back to the father. You will then have better laced birds but they still wont be perfect so you could either cross them back to the SLW one last time or cross them together and get some good laced birds.

Going off of that, BLR naked necks would look cool...

 

[faykokoWV]

hmmmm, so many possibilities. could you then cross those laced NN with a silkie and get a laced silkie showgirl at some point or does the genetics rule that out.

 

[AmyLM]

You mean like this?? Hatched him myself from mystery auction house