How fast do your chickens stop laying in autumn vs dog scare

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Hey friends,
Our flock has rather suddenly halved egg production. I'm trying to figure out if it's shorter daylight hours, or the fright they had this weekend.

We have a five year old buff orpington Lucia. She has full size eggs and is getting ready to molt, so her stopping laying fast would be normal as she looks very rumpled. Her eggs are the only full size ones, so it's easy to tell. We have 8 new orplets in chocolate and lavender. They all lay 3/4 size eggs still. The past three days, we have dropped from 5-8 eggs a day to 3-4 eggs a day. We have lots of sun (though obviously days are shortening), daytime temperatures around 80F with nights cooling into the 40F's.

Ever since we moved here I have struggled the a lazy attitude from neighbors near and far about dogs not wandering. It's not legal, but they don't care. I get dogs from a long way away on our property, and as people don't answer strange calls, they get texts that start with "I have your dog". Multiple of my immediate neighbors are related, so I try to tread carefully. We may not socialize, but it's good to be able to be on good terms with your neighbors. Example, when their well broke a few years ago, we ran a long host with an on/off valve on the end to the property line so they could all fill buckets for toilet filling etc at the three houses until their well could be fixed. Stuff that's considerate. Unfortunately they also have the "what's the big deal" attitude about dogs coming over here. Thankfully their current dogs were now trained or contained for the most part.

Neighbor behind us has a roommate that got a new dog this weekend. That dog was at our house both days. It upset our dog by peeing everywhere, growled at me, pissed in what was my culinary herb garden and harassed our chickens. Our birds were terrified. I've never seen them so upset. They exploded in panic if I moved too fast while I was in trying to calm them. I called the neighbor, who listened politely when I said the dog was here, but I swear he thinks I'm weird about not wanting other dogs here. I didn't tell him about the chickens, as it's not his dog and I didn't need to unload on him. He was kind enough to send me his roommate's number in case it happens again.

I'm obviously so beyond done with this and am still seething. If it happens again, I want to give facts about my egg production loss, as we sell eggs to help with chicken food costs. Maybe explaining money cost (not that bird safety isn't more important to us, but non-chicken people often don't understand) would help with understanding. Would seasonal shift cause that reduction in laying so fast?
 
I'm so sorry about your dog scare!

My Welsummers and Amaracauna and Easter Eggers seemingly last week just flipped the "CLOSED" sign, lol. I went from 6-8 eggs a day to 1-2 every other day.

Small animals can be frightened to death even if not directly attacked. You can talk to your neighbor about the egg loss and the cost to replace your flock if the birds are killed. I think that only a larger number (like in the hundreds) would really deter someone.
 
This is super irresponsible by them. I would also mention that you would prefer for them to contain their dog as it could pose a safety risk to you, your dog, and your chickens.

Yes, it sounds like it was a very stressful situation for you birds and stress can cause a near immediate drop in laying. You can also cite that if their dog were to kill one of your birds they need to pay the price of what they are worth and have costed you in feed. This number will be in the hundreds for all your birds individually.
 
Where I come from a dog that goes after livestock gets shot…a sling shot will do the trick if you’re opposed to anything more damaging. Definitely talk to the neighbor but if it happens again I would be more drastic about it because a dog that chases chickens will eventually catch one and then it becomes a fun game that ends in dead chickens and bad relationships with neighbors. We had a couple dogs coming around that wouldn’t leave and no idea where they were from. My husband finally came outside with the shotgun and fired a shot in the air and off they went to never return.
 
Thank you all for your responses. In addition to your good ideas, sometimes just being reassured my feelings are valid helps me feel better.

Last night while fuming, I researched what our local ordinance is regarding dog harming chickens. In a lot of cases regarding dogs, I feel the dog is punished when the owner should be. Frustratingly, dogs at large are punished more severely than dogs harming chickens. Chickens are an exception to the livestock laws, which are appropriately harsh. The only justice is the owner of the dog that has injured or killed chickens must pay full damages within three days of receiving the request of payment.

You've heard of malicious compliance? Behold, malicious accounting.

In addition to whatever damage would be done to my enclosure, they would need to pay not the "value" of each chicken, but to *replace* each chicken. That's peeps, the crazy cost of shipping peeps, their bedding, the stupid amount of food they waste oh by the way we only feed organic, heat bulbs, power to keep the heat bulbs on, supplements we have receipts for, treats, allll of it. Plus eight of nine birds are uncommon colors, so pullets of lavender or chocolate orpington would be extra. If it was our buff, a five year old hen might be viewed as less valuable from a production perspective, but she's the darling derpy baby. It may only be $6 for a buff pullet peep, but I'd insist on five years of food to "replace" her.

None of it could replace a lost chicken, especially to something as preventable as a domestic dog's irresponsible owner, but I'd make it hurt.

Update:
I had another encounter with this dog while taking the trash can to the road. We are close enough to services we have weekly trash service, but rural enough that wheeling the bin down is a walk. I had our dog with me off leash, as she obeys verbal commands. I had our dog sit on my feet (she feels safe there and I can still lift her 50lbs in an emergency dog-carry away from danger if needed). Strange dog barked and growled and tried to sniff our dog, but wouldn't get close to me. I tried the dog owner roommate and neighbor who owns the house on my phone, no response. I sent a text (I even said please!) asking the owner to call the dog home. Unsure if this dog was friendly, I left the can in the driveway and had our dog heel as we walked back home. Once our dog was inside, I went back to get the bin to the road. Strange dog was gone.

The owner called me ten minutes later. I'm actually glad he did, as I was calmer and could state my case politely. He adopted the dog less than two weeks ago and as it's been so well behaved, he had no idea is was coming here. I explained that I can't yell at it in the afternoons if it comes back due to my husband's sleep schedule for work. He told me I'm welcome to do anything short of shooting it to get it to go home. I explained that I'd only get physical with it if it was threatening my chickens again (in which case I will grab the nearest garden implement and turn into a berserker). The owner says his sister has chickens and that he knows she'd be pissed if a dog was harassing them. I expressed understanding that it can take time to train a dog, but it needs to stay away from here. He sounded like he understood my message, and says he will be using a tie cable when the dog cannot be closely supervised. While I'm definitely going to be vigilant, at least I have verbal cooperation.

I'm not going to let my guard down and I'll get my slingshot and clay pellets handy, but I'm feeling better. As far as egg production, I can't rule out shorter days so I only used it as an example of our birds fright instead of complaining about the income loss. We also jumped back up to normal laying today with six eggs. None from Lucia, but she looks so rumpled I hope she starts her molt soon just so she can get it over with before it gets too cold. At least the lavenders snuggle on her roosting bar will still be super fluffy to use as down comforters.

Added bird tax.
 

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Leaving a dog unsupervised because it is "well behaved" is horribly irresponsible. What's to say that a dog harassing chickens couldn't equally get overstimulated and nip/bite a toddler playing in a yard?

You might consider sending this neighbor a text message summarizing your conversation just to create a "paper trail" in case things go south. ("Hey Dave, thank you for talking to me about the issue of your dog coming into my yard. I appreciate that you'll be taking steps to keep her on your property." etc, etc).
 
replace* each chicken. That's peeps, the crazy cost of shipping peeps, their bedding, the stupid amount of food the
Er... not exactly, I don't think. If the dog kills a layng hen, he has to replace a layng hen, not a $6 chick. When my neighbor's dog killed one of my hens I told him he owed me $25 and he paid it. We've since become pretty good friends and neighbors but now that I think about it, he got off easy. Most hatcheries do charge about that for a POL pullet, which is what his dog killed. But I would also have had to pay for shipping, so I could have charged him for that. I'm glad I didn't. He felt terrible about it, is really a responsible dog owner, and ended up getting rid of the dog. If he was like your careless neighbors, I would definitely charge him for both the bird and shipping. Sometimes hitting people where it hurts - in the moneybags - is the only way to motivate them to be responsible.
 

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