How to pump up protein

[anthonyjames]

Since I am going with NN's for meat birds I do find that they forage a lot. Right now I am going with this feed recipe:


Broiler Mash

515 Corn
300 Roasted Beans
110 Oats
4 Egg Innovations (Vitamins)
10 Poulty Pellets
5 Kelp

I am guessing the protein is about 22% or so. I would like to pump this up a bit to make it 26 - 28% the whole time. I just want to make sure I get the weight gain in 85 - 90 days that I am hoping for. Would I just need to pump up the roasted beans? The roasted beans are the soybeans. Or is there something else that could be recommended.

I am getting ready to order this and since they are making it to order want to order it my way the first time so I/they have on file.

Thanks

 

[CoopCrazy]

I have heard great things with catfood.. I am getting ready to use ground catfood on my turkeuys as they just dont seem to be bulking up ..

 

[Brunty_Farms]

Yes, Roasted Soybeans are like 47% so if you up that your going to get more protein. However you can use some fish meal in there as well and I believe that is around 60% protein.

 

[anthonyjames]

The place I go to does not carry fish meal. I am alright using more beans. Any recommendation on amount of beans to add to this mix?

 

[schmism]

are you mixing/grinding yourself or simply supplying a recipe to the local feed mill?

Either way id call your (even not so local) feed mill to get suggestions. Not only could they recomend the right amounts for your mix but might also be able to get those raw ingredient from them if your mixing/grinding yourself.

 

[Olive Hill]

I would agree with schism about calling your mill. If for no other reason they should be able to give you the guaranteed analysis of the raw ingredients they use for milling (or selling for you to mix at home) as local growing conditions and processing technique affects the end product. They would likely be happy to calculate the protein content of your recipe (and likely even formulate for you if you tell them what ingredients you want and what target protein you're looking for) while you're on the phone, but if you prefer to do it yourself just multiply the %CP of each ingredient by the parts of that ingredient in the mix, add those products together and divide that sum by the total number of parts in the recipe. That'll give you overall %CP.

If you put your numbers in an excel spreadsheet and input formulas for the calculations you can play around with your numbers to come up with the best recipe for you. I like to make mine with the following columns, left to right:

Type of Feedstuff/lbs per Batch/ Parts per Batch/% CP/% per Batch/Price per lb/Price per Batch

And across the bottom I input formulas for the grand total of lbs per batch, parts per batch, % per batch divided by parts per batch (this is your overall %CP) and price per batch and a price per batch divided by lbs per batch for overall price per lb.

 

[ghulst]

Add some more soymeal to bump it up. Most meal is 48%.

 

[anthonyjames]

They did call me today and we talked about bumping up the protein. They recommended more kelp as it was higher in protein and they felt the chickens would prefer that over the soybeans.

So I will picking up 500 lbs of mix on Saturday. They are grinding and bagging for me. Total cost $96.34 and when I go back for my second round with the bags the cost is $90.34 since I will be reusing. Comes to about $0.19 a lb. I can't complain.

 

[SteveH]

Quote:
I've often heard of kelp being used as a natural source of trace elements , but not as a protein supplement . Here is the guaranteed analysis of a bag of feed kelp ; I hope your mill is using some other kind .

Components (%)

Protein
5.7

Fat
2.6

Fiber
7.0

Moisture
10.7

Ash
15.4

Carbohydrates
58.6

ETA : If they're really useing roasted soybeans rather than processed soybean meal , they are at 37% rather than 48% . Corn is 9% , Oats 12% , and adding 300 lbs of roasted beans puts the mix at just over 18% but 300 lbs of bean meal would be just over 22% . Hopefully the " Poultry Pellets " are adding the amino acids lacking in soybeans . [ I'm thinking one is called methione ? ] Those amino acids are necessary for optimum meat growth and available through animal proteins such as fishmeal .

 

[jaku]

Soy- the mill should be able to easily calculate it for you. I wanted to bump mine up 2%, and the lady behind the counter figured out the mix in about 30 seconds.