How to use a hav-a-hart trap for coons

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In most places it is highly illegal to release raccoons.

What does "highly illegal" mean? Is this as opposed to some lower form of illegality. However, this simply is not true. It is not illegal to relocate a raccoon from your farm to another place farther out in the country.
But the biggest issue for most chicken-owning folks on this forum is that it's extremely inconsiderate to release a predatory animal, especially one who is now trap-wary, into someone else's neighborhood. One man's middle-of-nowhere is another man's property line. Follow the Golden Rule. Would you want others releasing raccoons anywhere near your property?

Raccoons do not become trap weary from getting caught one time. I have caught the same one over and over. Everyone does not own chickens. There are plenty of national & state forests near just about everyone OR river land [as is mentioned] owned by the state or the electric or timber companies. People almost LIVE EVERYWHERE but not quite. If I did not own chickens I would not mind someone releasing a raccoon in my neighborhood. They're already here anyway.
But the biggest issue for most chicken-owning folks on this forum is that it's extremely inconsiderate to release a predatory animal, especially one who is now trap-wary, into someone else's neighborhood. One man's middle-of-nowhere is another man's property line. Follow the Golden Rule. Would you want others releasing raccoons anywhere near your property?

Rabies is not as common a threat as many of you wish to believe. Yes, death at the hand of man is all too common. It led to the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon, the Carolina Parakeet, and almost the American Bison all of which are American indigenous species & which numbered in the millions (billions for the P. Pigeon). When someone asks those of you who shoot everything (if it just looks at your chickens), how to go about dispatching the predator, all of you are happy to tell how to do that & how you did it, BUT let a person like Country4ever ask some simple questions on catch and release and you all go about saying it's "highly illegal" best to shoot it while it is trapped, blah, blah, blah. Country4 ever didn't ask how to kill it or whether she should kill it. Please respect that as well.

Country4ever: I have caught and released animals, and I have also shot them. It depends on what they are doing. If they are in the process of attacking my chickens, then I shoot. Otherwise, I catch & release. I take them to a Nat'l Forest or an area where there are no homes or subdivisions for miles, in the middle of nowhere in the woods by a large stream & turn loose. If in the same sector of your State, there is little chance of your spreading some raccoon disease to other raccoons & animals. Believe me, the raccoon or other wild animal will run from you so no need to be scared of it chasing you. It will be scared while it is in the cage so just don't put your fingers in there. I have also caught Cottonmouths (Water Moccasins) in areas where people frequent, and I have likewise, even released them in a creek in the middle of nowhere (where they are not a danger to anyone). There is nothing illegal, highly or otherwise, about catching and releasing. And it is OK to respect all life.

I always wear my leather gloves just in case of an accident. The Cottonmouths (ALL) even took off in a hurry.

Chris​
 
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What does "highly illegal" mean? Is this as opposed to some lower form of illegality. However, this simply is not true. It is not illegal to relocate a raccoon from your farm to another place farther out in the country.
But the biggest issue for most chicken-owning folks on this forum is that it's extremely inconsiderate to release a predatory animal, especially one who is now trap-wary, into someone else's neighborhood. One man's middle-of-nowhere is another man's property line. Follow the Golden Rule. Would you want others releasing raccoons anywhere near your property?

Raccoons do not become trap weary from getting caught one time. I have caught the same one over and over. Everyone does not own chickens. There are plenty of national & state forests near just about everyone OR river land [as is mentioned] owned by the state or the electric or timber companies. People almost LIVE EVERYWHERE but not quite. If I did not own chickens I would not mind someone releasing a raccoon in my neighborhood. They're already here anyway.
But the biggest issue for most chicken-owning folks on this forum is that it's extremely inconsiderate to release a predatory animal, especially one who is now trap-wary, into someone else's neighborhood. One man's middle-of-nowhere is another man's property line. Follow the Golden Rule. Would you want others releasing raccoons anywhere near your property?

Rabies is not as common a threat as many of you wish to believe. yes, death at the hand of man is all too common. It led to the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon, the Carolina Parakeet, and almost the American Bison all of which are American indigenous species & which numbered in the millions (billions for the P. Pigeon). When someone asks those of you who shoot everything (if it just looks at your chickens), how to go about dispatching the predator, all of you are happy to tell how to do that & how you did it, BUT let a person like Country4ever ask a some simple questions on catch and release and you all go about saying it's "highly illegal" best to shoot it while it is trapped, blah, blah, blah. Country4 ever didn't ask how to kill it or whether she should kill it. Please respect that as well.

Country4ever: I have caught and released animals, and I have also shot them. It depends on what they are doing. If they are in the process of attacking my chickens, then I shoot. Otherwise, I catch & release. I take them to a Nat'l Forest or an area where there are no homes or subdivisions for miles, in the middle of nowhere in the woods by a large stream & turn loose. If in the same sector of your State, there is little chance of your spreading some raccoon disease to other raccoons & animals. Believe me, the raccoon or other wild animal will run from you so no need to be scared of it chasing you. It will be scared while it is in the cage so just don't put your fingers in there. I have also caught Cottonmouths (Water Moccasins) in areas where people frequent, and I have likewise, even released them in a creek in the middle of nowhere (where they are not a danger to anyone). There is nothing illegal, highly or otherwise, about catching and releasing. And it is OK to respect all life.

Chris​

Please add your works cited, because I've researched this quite a bit, and I would love to be proven wrong. We've had a lot of threads on here discussing the legal and ethical issues of relocation, but I've never looked up alabama before.​
 
In Alabama, it is not illegal. In a few States, it is illegal to release some things, of course-- not a raccoon! You want me to cite something saying it is legal to catch and release a raccoon? Are you kidding? I went to college, have three degrees and one of them is a law degree. I have practiced law since 1993, both criminal defense (9 years) & now only civil. If there is no law making it illegal, then there is nothing to cite.
 
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Touchy huh? I was merely saying that according to the DNR, state and federal laws, most of the lower 48 states it is ILLEGAL to transport, catch and keep LIVE game without immediately killing it.

Don't worry, I'm looking up your DNR's laws at this point. Generally in Michigan at least, the DNR will sieze your vehicle used to transport, fine you 5g or so and on and on and on...... Oh and there are both state and federal laws about transporting and keeping live game animals that could tack on another 20g's worth of fines depending on how cranky they are. Look up some of the older threads about relocating so we don't have to reinvent the wheel here.
 
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According to YOUR dnr's website:

"Except as authorized by permit issued by the Department prior to the
date of this amendment, it shall be unlawful for any person to have in
possession any live, protected wild bird or wild animal or live
embryo or eggs of these protected wild birds or animals.
"Possession" in this section does not include deer restricted by natural
or man made barriers as long as the deer remain wild and are not
subject to management practices of domesticated animals."

This is on page 46 of your DNR's guide to hunting and trapping found here online......... http://www.outdooralabama.com/hunting/regulations/2008-09%20Complete%20Reg%20Book%20rev%2011-18-08.pdf

If
you would like to see what they can do to you for violating this, I suggest you contact the Alabama Department of Natural Resources. And as a practicing lawyer with 3 degrees I'm sure you know that Ignorance of the law is never a valid excuse.

Argument done here as far as I'm concerned......
 
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Ahem.

It seems that some of you have had good luck catching raccoons with Hav-a-hart traps. Around here, the only way to get a raccoon in a trap is to shoot it first.

You can also build a pond. They will eat your fish instead of your chickens.

Our new dog has served as a great raccoon deterrent.

I think it is always a good idea to check with your local animal control agency before you trap an animal.

Renee
 
Boyd:Don't worry, I'm looking up your DNR's laws at this point.

Hey thanks for doing that, Boyd; I get tired of reading & dissecting laws everyday and having to give other people legal advice all the time. I was sitting here worrying.

Boyd: Generally in Michigan at least, the DNR will sieze your vehicle used to transport, fine you 5g or so and on and on and on.

Glad I don't live or ever visit Michigan. Wow, and ya'll don't vote those officials responsible for such crazy laws and fines out of office?

They seize your vehicle and fine you like that here in Alabama if you are in possession of a certain weight of illegal narcotics; different weights for different drugs. You'd have to have a lot of drugs though to be fined 20g worth of fines.

Again, Boyd:Oh and there are both state and federal laws about transporting and keeping live game animals that could tack on another 20g's worth of fines depending on how cranky they are.

Oh, I guess I never saw any of those cases in my federal courts. I'll PM you my name & address so you can report me to the feds for moving raccoons from my city to the State Park about 20 miles away, or I can just tell the federal officer that lives next door and is getting off work at 2:00 -- if he doesn't have to work a double (he, his wife & little girl are coming over to cook out with us for the 4th, if he's working a double, just wife & little girl are coming over). He'll be interested to learn that-- you can send me your cite. Perhaps, he can arrest me on the spot. Or better yet, I can just tell the Judge the next time she is over here (she came over for a party May 1) . . . that's right, I've already told her about relocating animals . . she already knows. . . she doesn't like me shooting. She's thinking about getting some chickens too. LOL! Have a great Independence Day BYC!​
 
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you also need to think about the people who you are now dumping a crafty- trap-savy coon on. Please do not re-locate. kill it or find someone who can.

If you must drive out to the woods at least 50 miles from your home and not near anyone elses home and re-locate it then or it will be back.
 
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