I found out my dog has cancer...

dracoe19

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Recently one of my dogs was ill. Her name is Monchou which is short for "my little cabbage" in French. She is a goofy, black great dane who will always put a smile on your face. About 3 weeks ago my brother walked into our living room and found a huge pool of blood. When I say huge I am meaning as big around as a basket ball. My mom and brother were obviously concerned about where the blood came from. She looked at it and it was very dark and had very large clots in it. It was not fresh blood. We found out it was coming from Monchou. She is a female dog and it was coming from her reproductive tract. But we all knew this is not a dog that is just coming into heat this was very wrong. My mother brought her into the vet told them about the blood and they treated her like she didn't know what she was talking about. They pretty much patted her on the shoulder and said, "Oh don't worry that is normal. She is just coming into season." My mother was so angry, I as well. We have owned dogs for years and have even had a litter. We know what is normal and what isn't. My mom wanted her spayed immediately because the problem was obviously involving her reproductive tract. The vet said, "Well lets run some tests first." Her red blood cell count was very high so she went on antibiotics and we were going to wait a bit for the spay until we felt she was ready. She continued to bleed pretty badly. She was tired but for the most part normal. Went back to the vet and they still didn't take my mom seriously! She told the vet she was very confident that is was a pyometra (a uterine infection. Though it is most commonly known as a disease of the unaltered female dog, it is also a notable human disease). The vet said, "I want to run more tests". Completely ignoring my mother again! They did an xray (which my mother didn't want done) and she said, "Oh my I can see her uterus!" Which you are unable to see in a normal xray. She finally said, "Well I think it maybe a pyometra." Do duh stupid! My mother scheduled a spay for monday and later when paying for the unneeded xrays and tests the vet said, "I am not comfortable spaying a great dane."
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What do you mean you are not COMFORTABLE?! It is a spay! That is the EASIEST procedure to preform! And it is on a large dog so it would be even easier because it will basically be like working on a human! My mom and I were livid. We had someone else who was competent do the surgery. They found a mass the size of a lemon in her uterus. They sent it off to the lab and a week later found out she had a very aggressive form of cancer that has already spread to the lining of her stomach and her lymphatic system.... We all agreed if something like this happened (which we suspected) we would let her live out her days as comfortably as possible until she passed away or we deemed it necessary to put her down. The same stupid vet tech kept telling my mom here is a good vet to do chemo at. My mother kept telling her NO and this woman would look at her blankly and tell her another place to go to or another drug to give her. What part of NO don't you understand!? She just could not understand why we wouldn't do anything. We believe that giving chemo to a dog (especially one with a extremely aggressive form of cancer) is futile. The dog will eventually die and rather than putting the dog through a process which will scare them and they won't understand we want them to be at home and happy until their time is here. Needless to say we are not going to that vet again. My mom is going to give the main vet an ear full on how if that vet tech can't even preform a spay why in god's name is she a vet? I wasn't home when my mom got the news. I had to go back to college so I am stuck states away while my dog could die at any moment... At first I was very upset (like any animal lover would). I cried and sat on the couch the rest of the day. Now I am numb. Writing this has pulled the sadness and lump into my throat again which part of me is happy about. I don't like being numb and I don't like not being there. My mom said if we need to put her down she will wait until the weekend so I will be able to be there. I only have 2 months until I am home but she may not have that much time... She is doing much better and is getting lots of love but I still ache. I have never had a situation when I know my dog is going to die soon I just don't know when. The worst part is she is only 4 years old :(. I don't have anyone really at school to talk to besides my boyfriend. I don't like talking about this kind of stuff with people because most of the time they don't understand. I also tend to keep my feelings to myself as well. I feel like sharing things like this on BYC really helps with the healing process. I can share my story and not have to get a lump in my throat every time someone asks.
 
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Dracoe19, I'm so sorry for you, your family and sweet Monchou.
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Sadly, cancers are one of the diseases spaying and neutering can minimize or avoid (certain forms). We lost our amazing Coonhound to intestinal cancer 1st of Feb. I know what you mean when you say you've never been in the situation of knowing that your dog's time is limited. If you have animals in your life, it's something everyone encounters eventually. At least her care and comfort are in your hands. Glad to hear you'll be staying away from that vet office, they clearly have a hearing problem and no bedside manner.

There's nothing that could be said except, so many of us have been where you are....a sort of hell. Wishing you strength now, and time to spend with her.

You and Monchou are in our thoughts and prayers.
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Sounds like the veterinarian was being very cautious with what he or she thought might have been a brood *****. In that case the owner usually wants to do everything possible to save the reproductive tract. Which includes doing blood work and radiographs to help determine what is wrong with the dog.

Usually in pyometra the WBC count is elevated. An elevated RBC count can be caused by other factors including dehydration. I wonder if the vet was being cautious because of the elevated RBC count? Either way as soon as your mother requested a spay the attending doctor should have listened. I'm not sure exactly why the doctor was uncomfortable with spaying a Great Dane And to be perfectly honest, spaying a 180 pound dog is beyond most small animal veterinarians field of experience. Anesthesia is more challenging in large breed dogs, and a Great Dane at 4 years of age is considered to have added risks. Although 4 years is not old to a chihuahua, the Great Dane ages more quickly, and at 4 years many veterinarians consider this age to be nearing classification as a senior pet. Also, there is a higher risk of gastric torsion of dogs this size and age who go through a surgery.

Having said that, the staff should have been able to discuss options and offer a referral to a hospital which had the staff and equipment to handle a large dog. Having anesthetized many mature Great Danes I know they need a large table with extra padding. Anesthetic doses vary greatly as each patient responds differently. Anesthesia equipment must fit the size of the dog. Even a routine spay of a dog this size takes 3 x as long a spaying a 40 lb dog. The deep chest Danes are famous for make organs more difficult to find in the abdominal cavity. Once a dog is on his/her back, all the organs slide into various positions and the chest of the Great Dane forms a 'tent' that requires the surgeon to manipulate organs to get to where he/she needs to be.

Anyway, I'm glad you gal survived the surgery, and you might be surprised at how well she feels. Often, veterinarians will do a chest radiograph to check for metastases to the lungs, and if the lungs are clear, chances are your gal will be comfortable for quite some time. The surgeon most likely evaluated the surrounding abdominal organs and intestines which would have assisted in determining if the cancer had spread in the abdomen.

Even though you have elected not to do chemo-therapy, and to be perfectly honest, even though I've worked in the veterinary field for 26 years, I would not put my own dog through the ordeal. The side effects are simply not worth it. Like you, I chose quality of life over quantity of life. Although for some people, getting a little extra time with their pet is very important for them, and I respect that.

When she gets to the point of not doing well, there are pain medications that can help her without sedating her or making her nauseous. Certain steroids can help her feel better and improve her quality of life.

Remember, your Dane doesn't know she has cancer. And honestly she really doesn't care. All she cares about is getting that huge belly rubbed, stealing the steak off the table when you aren't looking, and lazing on the couch.

It's never easy getting news like this and I recommend you learn all you can about the type of cancer she has, what to expect, and how to deal with your emotions. Many other people have experienced what you are going through and can offer comfort. What you can do-even from long distance-is to keep in touch with your family. Find a veterinarian who respects your wishes, and ask a lot of questions. Bloodwork and Radiographs are required to make a diagnoses but the best thing a vet can do IS LISTEN TO THE CLIENT.

All the emotions you are experiencing are normal. I remember when I had to make a decision to euthanize my horse last year. I was a basket case. I squalled more for my horse than I did when my mother died. Then I felt guilty about that. Then I started second guessing myself. "What if....What if....."

Even with all the experience I had with euthanasia, I was shocked at how deeply I felt at the loss of my horse, my buddy. Although now I'm okay with my decision, it was not or will never be an easy decision to make. Ending a life should never be.

Be informed and ready.
 
That's the thing the vet office knows us very well and knew we would never breed her and were planning on spaying her. They have done an emergency C-section on our original dane girl and another surgury on our other dane so they had all the equipment necessary and what we thought was experience. What made us upset was she agreed to do the surgery then a few days before said she wasn't comfortable saying she didn't think she could do it right but was going to do it anyway. If she had told us she wasn't comfortable when we were scheduling we would have scheduled someone else. She also ran tests that my mom specifically said not to do then did them anyways and handed my mom the bill. All of them were useless in diagnosis except for the blood work and the biopsy of the mass they removed during the spay. The bill was only supposed to be around $350-400 but went up to $2,000 because of the useless tests that showed nothing. We had also gotten her stomach tacked which we thought was $200 but ended up being $750 and they never told us a price just did it. Sadly we have had issues like this in the past, especially the vet racking up the bill with out our permission.
Sorry I'm ranting now. That vet has just been bad news lately and always getting me in a tizzy... They are also bad about guilting people about their decisions. There was a lady with a 18 year old cat who found out he had diabetes, arthritis, and other ailments. She couldn't afford treatments and wanted to put him down because he just wasn't himself anymore. One of the vet techs guilted her so badly the poor woman bald her eyes out because the vet tech accused her that she didn't love the cat and needed it taken away. Thankfully she was fired but the others can be bad about guilting to (thankfully not to that extent!).
*sigh* I swear I can never find a good vet. I am glad she is feeling better and agree she has no idea she is sick and I wouldn't have it any other way. There's only room for one grieving party lol... I am starting a illustration of a black great dane for my mom. I feel like it will be my little tribute to her and a nice memory of her.
You sound like such a knowledgeable person I wish you were my vet!
I'm sorry about your horse. I have sadly traveled down this path to often and I agree it never gets easy. He sounded like he had a loving home for his time on with you.
Thank you both for the comments. It helps so much to hear from others
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It's okay to rant. You need to. Does the body good. Although I'm only a LVT, I've dealt with those guilt makers who think they are representing the pet when presenting the problem to the owner. Which is perfectly fine, but I've always tell veterinary staff to always respect the owner's decision. Don't ridicule them because they can't afford a $4,500 bill. Present your treatment plan to the patient and respect the ones who tell you they can't afford to do all that. Give them options, get the plan in writing, and have the owner sign all the legal work. In today's litigious world the veterinary professional can't take chances. However, communication errors do happen. There needs to be a written protocol in place to help prevent such errors from happening.

Since you already have a history with your vet, call him or her. Tell them first thing you are upset and will express your self rather freely. Let them know why you are upset, (besides the terrible diagnosis), and make them understand in the future you will want a written estimate for all services to be rendered. That way the next time (hopefully never) you can have physical verification of what was discussed with you. I'm guilty of having selective hearing during times of stress. Don't be afraid to state your position as the veterinary field must respond to the demanding client. And the smart veterinary professional realizes these demanding clients can teach them a thing or two about being a better human being.


"NEVER FORGET THE HUMAN ELEMENT WHEN DEALING WITH A PET."
 
I recently had to put down my boy from cancer. Let her live each day to the fullest. Love her, play with her. She lives in the moment so let her enjoy the time she has left.
Rayden enjoyed all of his usual things until the last day. That is when we knew that it was time
 

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