I got a horse, now what? update 1-22-11

i was in 4h for horses for 7 years and learned many things and had a great horse trainer to teach me things.

i would advise looking into contacting your county4-h extension office and contact the leader. i know oyu are too old to join but the 4h leader is supposed to be knowledgeable.

i know you dont plan to take him to shows or anything but ground work is the most important thing to teach a horse.

have you heard the expression "square him up"?

it is where you get the horse to put its feet perfectly under itself and have its head at normal posture.
it takes a while to get the hang of it. both feet must be even with each other.

i read all post and see you have come along way. i have a friend who got horses that were bonnier than yours and fattened them up.

if the videos you have dont say how to square the first thing is to walk. stop. see how he stands. then have them back up slightly. a little pressure to get the back foot lined up with its back foot. then focus on the front feet.

you want them to square so you can see how his conformation is. you can tell if his stance is off. horses carry (if i rememeber) 60% weight on the front and 40% on the back. you would be able to see if he is pidgin toed and all that, i know you are happy with how he is (once filled out). he might be a mutt but certain confirmations are carried throughout the bloodlines. i would love to see a 360 degree pictures of him squared up. you can tell the breed easier then too.

remember: paint is a color and a breed. i had a double registered paint.

i had a horse that i leases that came from one of the famous Quarter horse bloodlines. the Impressive line his name was Parz. there was a quirk in the confirmation of that line that required surgery to fix. but the owners didn't exercise him much after the surgery and so his gate was funny. he would slap one of his hind feet on the ground instead of the norm.

but a 4h leader (or a trainer) would be able to tell you what kind of saddle to get. under the saddlehorn there is a gap right? well depending on how wide or skinny his withers are will depend on the kind of saddle you need. and you might want to invest in a therapeutic saddle pad (thinking about suddenly having weight on his back again and being a bit bony for a long time, it would be easier on him.) after you fit the saddle size for the horse then look for the size for your butt.

my 15.7 h paint i had for 5-6 years was wide withered, fat but you still felt his spine if bareback. he had a very large head. i ended up making a custom bridle and halter for him. because mule size was too small and draft was too big.

The fly spray issue does need to be resolved. there is a brand called Wipe (?) and there are rags with the repellent on them (one time use) and there are the ball rub fly repellent. or the spot cream for around the ears, eyes and the sheath= his genital area.

this will be weird but in the summer my trainer showed my where to scratch him there because the flies would just get him bad (there times when nothing works). he would raise his head and curl his upper lip. that is a good sign. another thing i remembered. its another weird thing, but since you have a gelding ( i have never had a female horse), the flies go up in the sheath and bite in there you can apply cream, it gets itchy there and sometimes it needs cleaning out and it gets a bit nasty. but be careful about all this he might not be used to it.

on the inside of the front legs and on the backs of the back legs are horny things called eargots (if i rememebr ) those need to be picked off to almost norm level (soak them with warm water or try after a bath) i think this is more of an astethic thing but still a good bonding practice.

do you pick his hooves out daily? from all your last posts i would be worried about thrush (really stinky black build up in the hoof)

also if you have the time for it try out pat parelli's teaching methods. while in the club we went to his seminar and it was amazing what he could do.

honestly i have never had a horse younger than 11 years old. but even the older horses forget their manners and do go senile.

i ride western though since you have a young horse i guess a snaffle would be appropriate. but later go to a curb and he will learn to neck rain. there are transition bits. where it looks like a curb on the outside but is broken on the inside some have rollars for the horse to play with.
make sure non of your bits are made of alluminum (light wight) they color your horses mouth grey....

pm me if you need any advice. but contact your trainer or a 4-h leader they can help you greatly.
if you haven't already, invest in a shedding blade. use the teeth to shed and in the summer use the smooth side to "squeege" water off after a bath. and a curry comb. your best friends.

oh i know it seems silly but after he has filled out. look into having a horse chiropractor check him out. all the growing and suddenly gaining muscle and weight might put a few bones and joints out of place.
 
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Twentynine, don't offer any pressure at all on the halter. Don't pull on his head at all unless he turns tail to leave. The purpose is to keep him with you rather than leaving the situation altogether; you want him to think but not panic. Let him see the object and think about the situation, just don't overstimulate him to the point that he leaves. At first he will probably back up, and back up, and back up..... The key is to reward the slightest good response on his part. As soon as he stops, you stop. Then as soon as he lowers his head after stopping, you stop. As soon as he tolerates one spray and stands still, you stop, and so on. He will pick it up quickly, timing is everything. Don't look him in the eye either, unlike us humans it's not rude! Horses generally don't enjoy being stared at, it is threatening to them.

The difficulty with this approach and him being loose is that the relief of pressure is the reward; if he can run to the other side of the pasture he will find his reward in evading you, so essentially you'd reinforce the reaction rather than relaxation/tolerance.
 
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I'm sorry. My explanation was not meant to be a step by step training session. (I did say it was oversimplified, and that someone else could probably explain it much better than me, which Ropo did
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. I am not a trainer. Was just trying to offer up the idea of sacking out as a way to desensitize. I won't try to offer up any more 'helpful'
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Sorry, Twentynine. I would never want to suggest anything that could get you or Cody hurt.
 
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Okay, I have been using Hound's reccommendation of not tieing him when I want to "work" on him.

Bug spray- walked around with him, he was not easy to do, he did pull away, I went with him. Small shots, got it done, no one hurt. I admit allot of the problem is I am some what intimidated with his size and strength. In the mean time I tried the Celebrity drip on fly stuff, nearest as I can say is that stuff doesn't seem to work at all.

Worming today, went very well, using the Hound method. Haltered him, walked him around a little while. Took the wormer out of my pocket, popped the top, stuck it in the upper corner of his mouth and gave him the business. He did raise his head, but I think it went so fast, that he didn't even realise what had happened. Also I used Pyrantel Paste, apple flavored, I think the apple flavoring was a big help. For sure whatever I use next go round is going to be flavored.

Previously I had used the Ivomectin paste, I had been advised to swap or rotate the worm meds. Well, I had used Ivonmectin twice so I went with the Pyrantel Paste. What I discovered was allot of the worm meds even though the name is different, they still use the same basic active ingredient.
 
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You want to use Ivermectin as well as Pryantel. I rotate Ivermectin, Panacur (also under the name safeguard) . Ivermectin gets Bots as well as others, that is used in the fall and winter. I use the others in the spring/summer. I worm every other month, but I have 7 horses and absolutely no grass. You can probably go quarterly with yours.
 
As a recent PM from a chicken friend has reminded me, I might should update all the chicken friends that helped me out.

Cody came home from the trainer last year, much changed. Still the gentle horse he always was, now desinsitized. he still doesn't like the bug spray but is tolerant, he still doesn't like the water hose but stands to be washed. I can now lunge him with almost no effort, he willingly responds to clicks, woows, walk and trot.

As a routine I am lunging him 3 times a week when the climate allows, with rain the round pen turns into a quagmire if over used, so that is the limiting factor. Also when lunged and temp allows he gets a quick wash down (usually just legs because of weather) and a dose of bug spray or a shot of placebo bug spray (water). All this is to keep him in the groove.

His condition is close to top notch now. Feeding him a combination of Purina Strategy, 12% All Brand SF (TS product), plus one flake of hay in the stall at night. During the day he is turned out at 0600, still a little bit of green out their for him to nibble on and I keep a large round bale in the pasture, so he has hay free choice. Plus Dumor hoof supplement fed at reccommended rate.

His hooves that were in bad shape 1 year ago are almost completely grown out with new strong growth, the cracks, splits and chunks missing are almost a thing of the past. The farrier we were using, seemingly got a little weird/strange, so we began using another farrier that so far we are pleased with.

Now the other news-----------

We got a second horse. Long story short, we mentioned to the trainer that we wanted a pasture pal for Cody. At that time she had a horse that she was keeping for a rescue org. that had run out of room at their facility. She spoke to the people in charge at the org. and they okayed us taking ownership of the horse, also waiving the adoption fee.

So in late November, Ranger came home. Ranger is a small paint gelding of about 10 years of age. He was rescued in 2009 kept staked out on a ground line, subject to starvation and neglect. He arrived at the trainer very underweight, and very sick. He health was restored. Then in late 2009 he was gelded, the people who had him accoding to the trainer said "it was against their culture to geld". Gelding, in his case it went very bad for him, he had a nondescended testes, and not being in tip top shape, it knocked him for a loop. Once again he regained his health and the trainer began working with him with the idea of getting him to the point of being rideable. But once a gain fate dealt Ranger a bad card. Ranger sustained some sort of injury that left him 3 legged. The trainer believed that because Ranger was gelded late he had developed some stalion habits, and he was injured while kicking the fence/gate. He remained 3 legged and on stall confinement for several months. Slowly he mended and the trainer did not have time to work with him again. So his training stopped. He regained the use of his 4th leg and has been sound ever since.

We saw Ranger the first time a month or so after Cody was at the trainer's. at that time he was allowed to roam the grounds of the facility pretty much unattended. I had noticed what I thought was an old horse, nibbling/grazing in the trainer's yard. when I asked her about him she told me "oh, don't worry about him, that's just old Ranger, he never goes anywhere, and he enjoys the grass so much I don't have the heart to keep him in a stall". Well when visiting Cody we would always pay a little visit to Ranger, giving him a treat. He responded with gentleness and appreciation. So when the trainer offered him to us it was a easy choice.

Now for the interaction between Cody and Ranger---- well YIKES! I can't say it has been a 100% smooth road. we kept Ranger and Cody seperated for about 2 weeks, allowed the contact through a common fence, but kept the fence between the two. Then gradually I would put a halter on one of them (either one and alternated) bringing him into the other's field. when I was sure they were used to each other I opened the gate. Well you would figure that Cody because he is close to 200 pounds heavier, 6-8" taller than Ranger would get the upper hand and be dominant. Not so, I believe because Ranger was a stalion until last year he had a little more moxy than Cody. so 90% of the time Ranger is the leader, Cody the follower. However once in a while Cody gets enough and gets the upper hand on Ranger. So it is a constant state of flux with these two. Don't get me wrong no injuries, no big fights, but lots of running back and forth, with a few bites thrown in for good measure.

Rnager's interaction with us is entirely tame, gentle and calm to the point of being boaring. he will give me a grunt, that's right a grunt, just like a hog when I make him do something he doesn't want to do. But never has he ressisted any of my request. he is lunged/washed/sprayed on the same schedule as Cody. Fed the same basic diet. We will very soon start back with the serious training. However, I believe most of the work has been done for me. He saddles, accepts a bit, reins well, but is a bit rough in his ground manners. I have been aboard him a few times with no adverse problems, and allow my grand daughter to sit on him bare back while I lead him around.

I don't have a picture available to post right now, but Ranger can be seen here

http://www.harprescue.com/id6.html

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in mind that the picture is 1+ years old he is now sound on all 4 and his weight/condition is better.
 

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