I'm Building an Incubator - please don't bother asking permission to laugh at me

[DwayneNLiz]

DARN SPAMMERS!!!
@BantyChooks

 

[MeepBeep]

Is that in reply to a reason to not put an electrical box inside? If so looking at your build I would have to strongly disagree that you lack space to mount an electrical box inside... Worst case you recess a shallow box into the cooler wall and put a blank cover on it that for all intents uses no inside space...

But in her bator it is much smaller, I wasn't talking about mine just in general

IMO still plenty of room to add a box to contain the wiring connections, especially one that is recessed into the wall... You can get 'ceiling fan' shallow boxes that are only about 5/8" deep, plenty easy to recess in the wall of pretty much any build, and as long as you pay attention to wiring and possibly use crimp connectors instead of bulky wiring nuts you can get a lot of connections into even a shallow box and thus keep the connections protected...

 

[BantyChooks]

DARN SPAMMERS!!!
@BantyChooks
 

Sorry, captain's orders !

 

[BantyChooks]

Here Liz, use this next time

 

[BullChick]

DARN SPAMMERS!!!
@BantyChooks
 

I agree!!

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Space

Yep! You know it.

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Quote: IMO still plenty of room to add a box to contain the wiring connections, especially one that is recessed into the wall... You can get 'ceiling fan' shallow boxes that are only about 5/8" deep, plenty easy to recess in the wall of pretty much any build, and as long as you pay attention to wiring and possibly use crimp connectors instead of bulky wiring nuts you can get a lot of connections into even a shallow box and thus keep the connections protected...

I can give a few reasons of why "I" form this opinion. I'm speaking only for myself here...

My reasons:

1. Space - is my #1 reason, at least for me. Liz is so right, I haven't an inch to spare in my 'bator.


Behold my "full" 'bator. Well, it's almost full. I've actually had more eggs in it, but I guess I didn't take a pic of it.
That's 4+ levels of eggs that fill all the available space. The only space left is close to the lights.
The trays go right up to the wafer that's on the left side.


2. Washing - I can take my entire incubator apart so I can wash it outside in pieces with the hose. The only things that don't come out are the two lights and the thermostat. The incubator's hosed out, scrubbed with soap, hosed again, scrubbed with disinfectant, left sit and then set on the side of the hill and filled with water and disinfectant and left. (The wafer's not submerged) Then it goes through a series of hot/cold rinses.
I don't need an extra item like an electrical box submerged in water to deal with. The incubator goes right back into business afterwards.

3. Nastiness - An electrical box mounted inside sounds like a good place to grow some nasty stuff unless it's cleaned regularly. Last thing I need is to have something "extra" to clean out.

3. Natural route - The wiring for the lights and the thermostat naturally aim to go through the side of the incubator to the outside. Why would I go to the extra work to route it all back into the incubator? The wires stay nice and clean on the outside and are out of my way 24/7.

4. Humidity - Perhaps wiring can handle the humidity. You would know better than I do seeing that you are trained in the field.
I don't care to have wiring sitting in high humidity for weeks at a time. Just my personal preference.

5. I don't feel the need to follow what others necessarily do. I'm ok with doing things differently. I kind of like it that way.

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Quote: I'm interested to see how that turns out.

I was hard core for getting a turner...until I set some eggs upright. (They were dropped

)
I wasn't fond of the development at the top and missed the side development.

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See, now that's just plain evil. It's EVIL I say!
I was going to stop hatching. BUT then you post this!

Halloween is my MOST favorite day of the year. How can I not hatch?

(So, SO evil!)

 

[MeepBeep]

I can give a few reasons of why "I" form this opinion. I'm speaking only for myself here... My reasons: 1. Space - is my #1 reason, at least for me. Liz is so right, I haven't an inch to spare in my 'bator. Behold my "full" 'bator. Well, it's almost full. I've actually had more eggs in it, but I guess I didn't take a pic of it. That's 4+ levels of eggs that fill all the available space. The only space left is close to the lights. The trays go right up to the wafer that's on the left side.

And if the electrical box was recessed in the wall as I suggested previous you would not have any less space inside... Also how do you hatch with that incubator so full?

2. Washing - I can take my entire incubator apart so I can wash it outside in pieces with the hose. The only things that don't come out are the two lights and the thermostat. The incubator's hosed out, scrubbed with soap, hosed again, scrubbed with disinfectant, left sit and then set on the side of the hill and filled with water and disinfectant and left. (The wafer's not submerged) Then it goes through a series of hot/cold rinses. I don't need an extra item like an electrical box submerged in water to deal with. The incubator goes right back into business afterwards.

Easy enough to remove the electrical box if needed and planned properly just like you take it apart right now, all my electrical items are easily removed from my incubator for cleaning by simply removing two screws... There is little need or concern to clean inside the electrical box since it's close and essentially sealed, the outside once removed from the incubator can be wiped down with a disinfectant and if there was something on it have a near 100% disinfection rate... In the end there is likely more 'nastiest' floating around the air then there ever is in a sealed or closed electrical box...

3. Nastiness - An electrical box mounted inside sounds like a good place to grow some nasty stuff unless it's cleaned regularly. Last thing I need is to have something "extra" to clean out.

Grow what may I ask? Mold requires organic matter to feed upon, bacteria and viruses also require organic material and/or a host to live upon, organic matter should never find it's way into a closed electrical box and if it did you most certainly have bigger issues inside your incubator, and if there was a concern it could be nearly air tight sealed just like they do for wet locations...

3. Natural route - The wiring for the lights and the thermostat naturally aim to go through the side of the incubator to the outside. Why would I go to the extra work to route it all back into the incubator? The wires stay nice and clean on the outside and are out of my way 24/7.

I have one power cord entering my incubator into an electrical box and everything inside going towards that box for connections nothing 'exiting'... I'm simply not understanding this naturally going in and out of the incubator as you suggest, if it's wired that way it was a design choice to do so...

4. Humidity - Perhaps wiring can handle the humidity. You would know better than I do seeing that you are trained in the field. I don't care to have wiring sitting in high humidity for weeks at a time. Just my personal preference.

The humidity levels in an incubator are lower then the average in many areas of the world like for example southern states like Louisiana or Florida, so it's essentially no concern as wiring is perfectly fine at those humidity levels, and if sealed in a box even better...

5. I don't feel the need to follow what others necessarily do. I'm ok with doing things differently. I kind of like it that way.

I guess for me being person who job it is to design things that are up to safety standards, up to safety codes I see and do things quite differently... Exposed mains wire connections are simply not safe and almost always in violation of local building and fire codes and almost certainly a violation of UL and CE codes... And I know full well those codes and standards are not there to make 'my' job harder they exist to mediate real dangers and hazards... Improper, faulty and careless wiring practices are one of the leading causes of household fires, so I personally take the issue serious in my house and designs...

 

[BantyChooks]

@MeepBeep, is that Roadrunner and R2D2 in your avatar?

 

[Wickedchicken6]

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Easy enough to remove the electrical box if needed and planned properly just like you take it apart right now, all my electrical items are easily removed from my incubator for cleaning by simply removing two screws... There is little need or concern to clean inside the electrical box since it's close and essentially sealed, the outside once removed from the incubator can be wiped down with a disinfectant and if there was something on it have a near 100% disinfection rate... In the end there is likely more 'nastiest' floating around the air then there ever is in a sealed or closed electrical box...

*Closed as well as jointed utensils and laminate (board) flooring with the wax seal.

No thanks.
Recessed means just another place to clean and a make work project to have to take the box out.

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Grow what may I ask? Mold requires organic matter to feed upon, bacteria and viruses also require organic material and/or a host to live upon, organic matter should never find it's way into a closed electrical box and if it did you most certainly have bigger issues inside your incubator, and if there was a concern it could be nearly air tight sealed just like they do for wet locations...

*I stagger hatch. I don't clean the incubator every hatch because I don't have separate hatches.
It's still very clean, eggs hatch in containers. But it's not 100% clean.


Quote:
I have one power cord entering my incubator into an electrical box and everything inside going towards that box for connections nothing 'exiting'... I'm simply not understanding this naturally going in and out of the incubator as you suggest, if it's wired that way it was a design choice to do so...


*I use two pigtail sockets for the lights. The wires go through the wall and the butt of the socket is glued to the wall.
The fan I use is 120. It is thus routed outside to be plugged in.
Since everything's "outside" I naturally ran the thermostat wire outside to connect to the pigtails.
I can't explain it any clearer than this.

Inside Outside



Quote: The humidity levels in an incubator are lower then the average in many areas of the world like for example southern states like Louisiana or Florida, so it's essentially no concern as wiring is perfectly fine at those humidity levels, and if sealed in a box even better...
Quote: I guess for me being person who job it is to design things that are up to safety standards, up to safety codes I see and do things quite differently... Exposed mains wire connections are simply not safe and almost always in violation of local building and fire codes and almost certainly a violation of UL and CE codes... And I know full well those codes and standards are not there to make 'my' job harder they exist to mediate real dangers and hazards...

Improper, faulty and careless wiring practices are one of the leading causes of household fires, so I personally take the issue serious in my house and designs...
Then you do your incubators your way by all means.