I'm confused - soybeans are poisonous raw, but homemade feed...

[detali]

According to the Weston Price website and the Dr Mercola website, the only way soybeans are safe for eating is if they are fermented, like the Orientals do in making Tempeh,and Natto. Cooking does not by itself neutralize the
anti nutrients they contain. Tofu is not make from fermented soybean neither is soy milk, therefore full of anti-nutrients that the body has to fight to overcome.

I haven't checked if soy products are in my chicken feed.

 

[Neil Grassbaugh]

The 44% and 48% soybean meal used in poultry feeds comes from the common ordinary soybeans grown by the millions of acres.

The oil, with the compound that is not beneficial to poultry and livestock, leaves the crushed soybeans via extrusion and extraction. What remains is the soybean meal used in feed.

There are many types of soybeans. Some are very specialized for human consumption. I do not know the nature of the taste, beneficial or non beneficial charachteristics of those cultivars and variants.

 

[Rootball]

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LOL



ever try Natto?

 

[Nikki28]

http://westonaprice.org/soy/

Soy is the main reason I became interested in making almost all my own food. I've always reacted badly to it.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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This is not correct. The anti-nutritional factor, Trypsin Inhibitor, is present in the meal NOT in the oil. The meal is toasted after the oil is extracted to inactivate the trypsin inhibitor. Without deactivation the protein digestion would be severly limited in the Duodenum which would limit the chickens growth.

Jim

 

[Neil Grassbaugh]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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This is not correct. The anti-nutritional factor, Trypsin Inhibitor, is present in the meal NOT in the oil. The meal is toasted after the oil is extracted to inactivate the trypsin inhibitor. Without deactivation the protein digestion would be severly limited in the Duodenum which would limit the chickens growth.

Jim

Wo-
I always thought that it was the oil (used for human consumption) that was heated to neutralize the inhibitor and to also pasturize the food grade product.
Guess I should have also considered, as I have now, how the oil is treated by a cooling process when it is to be used in salad dressings and other products destined for refrigeration.​

 

[antlers]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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This is not correct. The anti-nutritional factor, Trypsin Inhibitor, is present in the meal NOT in the oil. The meal is toasted after the oil is extracted to inactivate the trypsin inhibitor. Without deactivation the protein digestion would be severly limited in the Duodenum which would limit the chickens growth.

Jim

Absolutly correct. Nice to see actual agricultural facts on here rather than opinions stated as such.​

 

[edb]

The actual toxic levels can't be really high if at all. Deer eat acres of soybeans at all stages of growth.

 

[wombat]

Soybeans aren't "toxic", but there are anti-trypsins in them that are harmful to the digestive process and can leach other minerals from the body. Cooking/roasting does not completely neutralize these, just "mostly" does. Fermentation methods completely neutralize.

Zinc, calcium, and magnesium deficiencies can result from diets with excessive anti-trypsins. OTOH, soy is rich in calcium, so there's a net gain there if it's properly processed.

Soy is popular because it is cheap, and genetically modified soy plants happily coexist with copious amounts of Roundup. Yuk.

Also ... different animals process feed differently. Cows are fine on unprocessed soy, single-stomached critters such as swine or poultry aren't. I don't know how deer handle it.

We single-stomached critters can cause our pancreas to work overtime with too much soy, too!

 

[edb]

Wombat,
You are correct and deer are ruminants also,
Not all soybeans are round-up resistant but there is also a round-up resistant corn seed.