I'm getting a Trio of Seramas today! New Pics pg 2 post 20

[monarc23]

anyone ready to critique the new pics?

 

[racuda]

I like the last little cockerel, and pretty silver girl. To my eye they have the best type. The oldest hen doesn't look like a Serama to me, maybe OEGB mix?

 

[monarc23]

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Thank you for your input!

Maybe she is she is a bit of a goliath compaired to the others and deffiantly doesnt have that shape to her body that the others all seem to have atleast to some extent. I'm hoping she's a good broodie though

 

[rinnith]

Wow they look wonderful congrats!!

 

[SeramaLife]

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1.Back to long, wings too long and held at wrong angle (might change with age, but doubtful), tail too narrow (might change), legs too short, and breast too small ( that should get bigger),.
2. Wings too long and in wrong position, breast too small, tail far back. Probably not a mixed breed, look at http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff341/quailgal/1whitegirl.jpg , she looks much better in that pic. Back still too long there.
3. Tail too far forward, Back long but could be at ideal length when older (hard to tell), legs way too short (evidence of the creeper gene), wings in wrong position ( would change with age but legs too short),
4. Back too long, breast too small. Nice tail. Wing too long.
5. Too young to tell.
Remember, we are comparing with this: https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=23256 . They are still young, but I would definitely not breed them. The earliest thing you should cull ( Kill, or like me, give away) for is length of back. They never get shorter, they just look like it because their feathers cover it. They pass that on.
These are youngsters, so to be sure, post again in 6 months.
Hope that helped!




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[monarc23]

Ondra's Seramas :

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1.Back to long, wings too long and held at wrong angle (might change with age, but doubtful), tail too narrow (might change), legs too short, and breast too small ( that should get bigger),.
2. Wings too long and in wrong position, breast too small, tail far back. Probably not a mixed breed, look at http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff341/quailgal/1whitegirl.jpg , she looks much better in that pic. Back still too long there.
3. Tail too far forward, Back long but could be at ideal length when older (hard to tell), legs way too short (evidence of the creeper gene), wings in wrong position ( would change with age but legs too short),
4. Back too long, breast too small. Nice tail. Wing too long.
5. Too young to tell.
Remember, we are comparing with this: https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=23256 . They are still young, but I would definitely not breed them. The earliest thing you should cull ( Kill, or like me, give away) for is length of back. They never get shorter, they just look like it because their feathers cover it. They pass that on.
These are youngsters, so to be sure, post again in 6 months.
Hope that helped!




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YAY I'm glad I helped benifit your post numbers

Thank you so much for taking your time out to tell me your critiques on my cuties. Much to your dismay though I will be breeding them, but if I sell any of the chicks or eggs it will be very evident to the buyers that they ARE NOT show quality, and should just really be considered very small bantam chickens

I have no problem doing that I only have them because I've always wanted itty bitties. Hopefully someday I get a nice pair or trio though of the real thing!

I just love those fancy roos!

Again thank you! You were one of the ones i really wanted to hear from about them. Sure it's a bummer that they aren't really that great, but their sweet little personalities have me in love no matter their looks

Again THANK YOU

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

I agree with Ondra. At least you are going to be honest with your customers!

I think that the oldest hen and the white one are terribly long in the back. The problem with breeding that is that it gets worse with every generation and you get more and more non-serama looking chicks. The last very young roo is going to have the same problem, but looks like he may at least have good wing/leg length.

The first 'roo' --how old is that bird? There is something funny about that one and the silver, I just have not placed it yet....

You want hens that look more like these....
Adult hen

Here is a young bird..

and another baby...sorry for the bad picture..took it at night, but you can see that she has little or no back, round chest etc

For wing position and chest (for a bird standing straight) I like to imagine a line starting at the eye and going down. The imaginary line should bisect the center of the wing and have the chest jutting out like an apple away from your line. That's how I judge my young birds. Hope it helps!

 

[monarc23]

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It deffinatly does help

Do you reccomend I buy started birds or eggs when I am ready to go for true showy looking seramas? I assume started birds would be best but say I have the chance at eggs from what looks like really nice seramas (online lets say) as long as the breeder is honest about which eggs came from which birds should I expect atleast some of the chicks to be decient like thier parents? Just hoping i can get the easy way out if I cannot find birds locally

Also, i forget how old the first roo

I think he said 3 months but im unsure

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

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If you really wanted to start with good birds, but then you would want to buy them at 5 months and up....
Then you can see them nearly grown, and tell for sure what kind of type they have. Get a pair that will benefit the other's weaknesses.
You could start with 2-3 month old chicks from reputable breeders, that will tell you what they see in birds that young. Good breeders will want to teach you what to look for and make you a good breeder too!
You can get eggs from breeders but there you will find a few problems. Some breeders have them all loose, and you dont know who are the parents. Get eggs from a breeder that keeps separate pens, and preferably records of what they produce, and have tested eggs to prove that they are fertile. Make sure that the parents are typey, and if they have a fault, they are being bred to something that will improve the chicks. (ie-I breed my softer curving tail feathered birds to ones with stiff hard tail feathers etc) Dont get birds with DQ's like wry tail etc (of course)
Serama eggs, like any others, can have problems shipping....but not as bad as everyone says-----I have actually had customers with great hatches (better than I have sometimes, lol) and I use a TON of bubble wrap.

You should get a range of what the parents are........

I just want to add, that the reason that Serama breeders get upset when people say that they are going to breed non-typey birds is because that we have a limited gene pool. There were only so many seramas brought into the US. We would like everyone to try to preserve what we have, or improve it!
If you buy 'junk' (no offense intended) from a breeder that has less than desirable birds, then you are encouraging them to produce more of that.
If you then breed birds that are non-typey to begin with, their chicks lose even more of the qualities that make them stand out as the friendly,proud little birds they are. Everyone you sell to is going to see $$, and then they are going to breed the even worse birds and so on...
Pretty soon all that makes them serama is lost.
If you must breed....sell them as tiny cute pet bantams.
I do that with culls birds (with inverted combs or something)...I never say the word Serama and dont have a problem moving them locally. People love the novelty of little tame birds.

Once you lose size and things like length of back, they are really hard to get back!

 

[SunAngel]

I think they are adorable, but then again I am not a Serama expert lol. Add me to the list when you start selling eggs. I love the little silver girl!

Congrats again on your new cuties!