Walmart has Heinz with the mother in it. I've been fermenting grain for a month or so. Some o f mine like it and some don't so much. Glad to give them the extra protein for winter. It's not hard to do but I probably won't mess with it in the summer. I've been enjoying everybody's posts. Brad- I have Millie's ordered, and would love to see pics of yours to compare with mine when they come. I've never ordere from a hatchery! And I love my adult Millie's!