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Hey fellow BYCers can u guys help me. Having a chick emergency and trying to figure out what's on. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/884833/new-chicks-starting-to-do-this


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What age are those chicks when they get like that?

If you take a look at the Merks Veterinary Manual, often when the "go down in the legs" it is a deficiency of one of the B vitamins. Thiamin, riboflavin, niacin.

Are you feeding a medicated feed? If so, it has Amprollium which is a thiamin blocker. It should NOT be used long term.

Please describe the age and symptoms. This frequently is mistaken for Mareks when it isn't.
 
@irtehun


I've posted this before but thought I'd repost it about using liver when they go down in the legs. Originally posted here: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/730582/indiana-bycers-here/13530#post_12000215

Wanted to re-post it as I'm hoping it may be of use to you. If the pages won't come up large enough to read from THIS post, go back to the original posted place linked above. (click on the image in this post and they will come up larger)

Oftentimes B vitamins - particularly B1 and B12 (Riboflavin and Thiamin) are at issue with new hatched chicks and even older ones. Some very finely chopped liver is a great help if you have a good source to get some.

Here's the repost:


The first is this link that talks about some of the leg issues and causes. Note particularly the info on vitamins. There are various issues that "usually" affect birds during specific age ranges as a "rule of thumb". There exceptions to the rule of thumb however.

There is a lot of info here...keep reading all the way down :D
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-podiatry



When I first heard about various "B" vitamins having an effect on leg issues w/chickens was a few years ago in one of Joel Salatin's books. Here is some info that is very interesting on riboflavin in young chicks in particular. I think if you click on the images they will come up large enough to read.

Quote:
Pastured Poultry Profits
Author: Joel Salatin
Chapter 26 In It's Entirety
For Educational Purposes Only. No copyright infringement intended










ETA: Someone had remarked earlier how they wondered how the birds could be fine one day and not able to walk the next. In another part of JS book, he mentioned that was what happened. One day they were in that condition. After feeding the liver, they recovered quite quickly as well.
 
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I thought I would jump in here and post some pics. of my meager flock. This is Bo jangles my Black Star Roo that I got from Emilyof indidana. He is young and just now trying to impress the ladies. I have not heard him crow yet but she said she had. This is Hickity Pickity. She is an Australorp and has beautiful sheen to her feathers. She looks a little ragged right now after her little mishap with the neighbors dog.
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Bossy and white Beard my 2 EE. Bossy met the neighbors dog too hence the tattered tail. My latest additions from RK 2 leghorns, SLW, GLW and a Lt Brahma. Names from top to bottom is Ivory, Pearl, Rosa, Blanco, and a yet to be named SLW
. These are the first birds that I have had in several years and I am remembering a lot that I had forgot. Love to watch them out scratching in the yard. My little dog Bigen a Feist seems to be Bo jangles arch enemy and he stalks him constantly. He pushed it a little too far yesterday and lost a few feathers. It slowed him down for now. Thanks for looking.
 
I appreciate the wise words from everyone concerning roosters in the city, thank you all for sharing your experiences!

The only reason I'm considering keeping one is I may already have one. Gray, my EE, could go either way at this point. However, my other EE (I think someone said she's a tetra tint, but I don't know what that means - I'll go look it up!) had completely attached herself. She's very protective. If I'm handling Gray, she's right there watching. When I was trying to work with his eye one day, she tried to get my hand a few times. If I carry him around the yard, she follows on my heels. In the coop she's never more than three feet away from him.

Do chickens ever mate for life?

Anyway, I'd hate to separate them. So, if Gray turns out to be a roo, I'll try to keep him. There are a lot of trains that go through here, the horns are pretty loud at my house. And Rockville Road is two blocks away. So, chances are no one may notice.

I'll let you know how it goes!

ETA after some looking around, the white-ish bird (Elsa) looks a lot more like a tetra tint than an easter egger. Not that it matters - as long as she lays eggs, I don't much care what she is.

If you can, post pics and we can help figure it out. I wonder about that too, my 2 oldest GLW hens only allow Red, the GLW roo to mate them.. Red is currently in jail again for biting mom. They are plastered against that cage, talking to him.. UGH. It makes me think the hens stick with one rooster only? who knows.
Well I didn't mark my calendar and I think I ended up setting my eggs a day after I got them from @raicinchickins but I had two of my own with external pips last night and one had hatched this morning. My BCM. I have 9 that broody hens have hatched and between the bator and broody Marans another 60 yet to hatch! I broke down and bought a chick hutch from RK this morning because I just can't seem to find the time to build anything for all up and coming chicks! I have about 30 that are now 3 weeks old in a very large tote and 14 that I recently moved outside. I think I'm still going to need something else! In a couple of weeks I'll move the 3wk ones out to the garage brooder and the others??? Hmmmm!

I am super excited that for the fourth year in a row we have Orioles again! Every time this time of year they become visible gathering nesting materials and then they are gone. So odd they manage to stay hidden after that. Love Love Love seeing them though!

Lastly RK here in Martinsville has Dark and Light Brahmas now. Along with the other typical breeds of RIR Barred Rock Cornish etc. They also have ducks guineas and bronze turkeys.

Hope all you mothers out there have a wonderful Mothers Day! !
Oooooooh you have chicken math baaaaad
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I need to check out my RK I want to add more BBB turkeys.TSC is all done this year for chicks.

Here are the 7 new beebies. They are so little!













They are just
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beautiful babies!

We have a baby chick!!!! We were all outside this morning working on the house and mowing grass, etc. and I came inside for some reason I don't even remember why now, but I heard really loud chirping. First thing I thought was that one of the new chicks had some how gotten out of the tote. But they were all in there so I checked the incubator and there it was. There are at least 6 more that have pipped. Its day 20. I'm pretty sure that it is a silver sebright hen crossed with either one of two LF mutts or LF Rhodebar rooster. Could possible be a oegb hen, but I have never seen a rooster mate with either one of them so I don't think that it is.
So precious! Congrats and hope the hatch goes well
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Congrats, Kab on the chicks! I've been having some really good hatches too lately. Actually too many hatches lol. I'm getting over loaded with chicks again! Only issue is I want to keep them all.
LOL I hear ya! The CCL had a good hatch, I am getting buried in OEGB also. Millies hatched very well, and my scovies are hatching with this new bator too
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They have been the hardest to hatch ever..Last year I set well over 200 eggs and got one duckling. There's 3 things I want to add and will be happy. Clear door, water reservoir and more tray sizes
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Anyone have good links for wheels for a chicken tractor. it is 8*6, a bit heavy for no wheels. It would be great if the wheels where easy to attach and detach. We plan to make 3 of these pens and if we could use 1 set of wheels on moving day that would be nice.
Steel pipe for an axle, and tractor tires would be perfect. Bicycle tires/wheels even better!

I was wondering if the non gmo feed is in crumbles? I didn't buy more of the organic feed i tried locally at agrarian as i found my hens wasted a lot of it and at that price it wasn't worth it( i also thought having feed on the ground was even more of an invite to have mice visit).
It would be for sure. You could try fermenting or a different feeder.

Hey fellow BYCers can u guys help me. Having a chick emergency and trying to figure out what's on. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/884833/new-chicks-starting-to-do-this


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I think the mareks statement is a bit severe, until you have tried other methods. Vitamin deficiency will show a lot of weird symptoms that match things that are more serious Good quality chick feed, and vitamin supplements will tell you if something else is happening.. It wont improve overnight either! Patience and good food/supplements is probably what they need. Please let us know how they are doing, good luck
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If they don't improve in a few weeks I would be getting them tested and notify where you got them about the problem.
ETA wanted to add be sure the chicks are getting at least 18% protein. chop up some hardboiled eggs and add to their food.
 
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I thought I would jump in here and post some pics. of my meager flock. This is Bo jangles my Black Star Roo that I got from Emilyof indidana. He is young and just now trying to impress the ladies. I have not heard him crow yet but she said she had. This is Hickity Pickity. She is an Australorp and has beautiful sheen to her feathers. She looks a little ragged right now after her little mishap with the neighbors dog.
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Bossy and white Beard my 2 EE. Bossy met the neighbors dog too hence the tattered tail. My latest additions from RK 2 leghorns, SLW, GLW and a Lt Brahma. Names from top to bottom is Ivory, Pearl, Rosa, Blanco, and a yet to be named SLW
. These are the first birds that I have had in several years and I am remembering a lot that I had forgot. Love to watch them out scratching in the yard. My little dog Bigen a Feist seems to be Bo jangles arch enemy and he stalks him constantly. He pushed it a little too far yesterday and lost a few feathers. It slowed him down for now. Thanks for looking.
You have a lovely flock
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Mr Bo will be a fine rooster for sure!

Guess what I got today...



BABIES!!!!!
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what are they?

Quote: Exactly and thanks for posting that.

@irtehun


I've posted this before but thought I'd repost it about using liver when they go down in the legs. Originally posted here: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/730582/indiana-bycers-here/13530#post_12000215

Wanted to re-post it as I'm hoping it may be of use to you. If the pages won't come up large enough to read from THIS post, go back to the original posted place linked above. (click on the image in this post and they will come up larger)

Oftentimes B vitamins - particularly B1 and B12 (Riboflavin and Thiamin) are at issue with new hatched chicks and even older ones. Some very finely chopped liver is a great help if you have a good source to get some.

Here's the repost:


The first is this link that talks about some of the leg issues and causes. Note particularly the info on vitamins. There are various issues that "usually" affect birds during specific age ranges as a "rule of thumb". There exceptions to the rule of thumb however.

There is a lot of info here...keep reading all the way down :D
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-podiatry



When I first heard about various "B" vitamins having an effect on leg issues w/chickens was a few years ago in one of Joel Salatin's books. Here is some info that is very interesting on riboflavin in young chicks in particular. I think if you click on the images they will come up large enough to read.

Quote:
Pastured Poultry Profits
Author: Joel Salatin
Chapter 26 In It's Entirety
For Educational Purposes Only. No copyright infringement intended










ETA: Someone had remarked earlier how they wondered how the birds could be fine one day and not able to walk the next. In another part of JS book, he mentioned that was what happened. One day they were in that condition. After feeding the liver, they recovered quite quickly as well.
Vitamin deficencies will kill a bird, its terribly important and our responsibility to be sure they have what they need. I alternate ACV and Vitamin/electrolytes in their water. Free ranging does help a lot but they still need us to ensure their diets are correct.
 
Caught up on our thread
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For any hatches I have missed and new members that's joined, welcome
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new babies and new members too!
! Will call my camp ground owner tomorrow to see if he has a date for chickenfest. Loving this warm weather and have been lucky on the rain. So much to do!!
Clearing out a lot of my Dads cluttered stuff he has hoarded over the years, ugh.
4 broody australorps. 3 geese, 1 turkey and 2 scovies
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DH got a rear tine tiller for our garden, lot easier to use.
Off to bed, nite everyone!!!
 
Hey fellow BYCers can u guys help me. Having a chick emergency and trying to figure out what's on. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/884833/new-chicks-starting-to-do-this


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Hi irtehun! We haven't heard from you for a while, so we're glad you checked in with the Indiana Thread! Leah's Mom posted some great info for you. I personally wouldn't jump to conclusions that it's Marek's, but if it would turn out to be, you do not have to cull your whole flock. CRSelvey (Cheryl) on the Indiana Thread lost a pet hen from Marek's early this year, discussed situation with Purdue, and found out it's not necessary to cull your whole flock unless you breed or show, etc. Hers are pets. She followed procedures including sanitizing the area, and she now has new chicks along with her previous flock.

Anyway, it sounds like vitamin deficiencies are not uncommon, so hopefully you'll see improvement. Please give us an update and good luck!
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I thought I would jump in here and post some pics. of my meager flock. This is Bo jangles my Black Star Roo that I got from Emilyof indidana. He is young and just now trying to impress the ladies. I have not heard him crow yet but she said she had. This is Hickity Pickity. She is an Australorp and has beautiful sheen to her feathers. She looks a little ragged right now after her little mishap with the neighbors dog.
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Bossy and white Beard my 2 EE. Bossy met the neighbors dog too hence the tattered tail. My latest additions from RK 2 leghorns, SLW, GLW and a Lt Brahma. Names from top to bottom is Ivory, Pearl, Rosa, Blanco, and a yet to be named SLW
. These are the first birds that I have had in several years and I am remembering a lot that I had forgot. Love to watch them out scratching in the yard. My little dog Bigen a Feist seems to be Bo jangles arch enemy and he stalks him constantly. He pushed it a little too far yesterday and lost a few feathers. It slowed him down for now. Thanks for looking.
number 9 ~ You have a lovely and intelligent (in escaping dogs) flock! I agree that it is so fun and intriguing to watch them interact.
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kabhyper ~ It's just like you to already have a perfect photo shoot of your new chicks completed and posted! I don't know how you get your chickens to cooperate so nicely. Do you have a worm on a stick that you wave as you tell them to hold still and pose?
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Curiosity question - I've been noticing on this thread that a lot of you have talked about setting eggs under broody hens, but almost no one (at least in the short time I've been on) has mentioned breaking on. Is there a reason beyond personal preference or breeding programs? Does it have an affect on the hen's health or state of mind?
 

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