INDIANA BYC'ers HERE!

Me, too. We'll be talking to a vet tomorrow (would have been today, but she isn't in today).
Yeah, mine are like that, too.
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I pretty much have to shovel it down to the ground or they won't walk through it. Most of them won't even walk through it if it's just a few inches deep. Spoiled, spoiled girls.
Sebastopol geese, right? I never knew there were Sebbies in anything but white! They're gorgeous!
Well, that seems to be a common concern, but it isn't exactly true. It's the combination of cold and moisture that leads to frostbite.

Case in point, I have one old rooster with a single comb and he lives in a pen with a roof and only a tarp around the back of it to break the wind. He has a doghouse to duck into, but never did through that hideous cold snap at the beginning of the year, instead sleeping on top of it. He had no frostbite last winter in spite of sleeping out in the cold like that.

My Ancona, Rangi, and one of my Rhodies, Olive, both got frostbite after the coop addition flooded and then froze, even before that cold spell. They both had larger combs and wattles, although I still had a few other hens with large combs that were unaffected by it. My Light Brown Leghorn has a huge comb that flops over over one of her eyes, and it didn't get effected by frostbite at all over the winter.

Remember, frigid air is dry air. Heat allows moisture to stay in the air, and will also allow for more incidents with frostbite. That's been my experience, anyway.

My experience is with orpingtons, it appeared that the smaller the points on the combs the more likely they would get frost bit. Now the coop Roo I would put vet Rex on his comb once a week when it got real cold and it seemed to help. Then I kept a 40 watt bulb in the caged roo. I showed them so rounded points were not good. Now last year I had both of my single comb roo that were in the coop got frost bitten combs and I had 1 hen too and I had never had a problem with hens when I showed. I just assumed it was because their combs were closer to their head. These were all barn yard chickens so I didn't worry much about it. This year I have gotten back into some nice orpingtons and I am very concerned about it happening again. So I will have to do what I know works, unless anyone on here has better suggestions.
 




I cant wait to start hatching more of these this year.
I have 2- blacks and 2- Blue and don't want to get rid of any of them until I have some chic's on the ground.
they are only 4-months old so I have a little while
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I am not from Indiana but I was invited to this thread by kabhyper1, she said you guys were great and would allow me to join. I was in another thread where we both posted and there was some bad JuJu so I no longer feel comfortable posting there. I am from East TN and this is my first year with chickens. My LF cochin hatched out some barnyard mix chicks at the same time kabhyper1's hen did. We enjoyed sharing pictures of the chicks on the previous thread. So I would love to be able to join this thread and share some pics and stories with all of you if that is ok.

Definitely you are welcome here. Sorry to hear things weren't going well elsewhere. Everyone on this thread is absolutely awesome. I have gotten lots of advise and knowledge from my fellow Hoosier's. Oh yea, post away on the photos. We all LOVE photos of all the adorable chickens...
 
RE: Heating. You know I have to get in on this.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/421122/think-its-too-cold-for-your-chickens-think-again

My coop is unheated and uninsulated. We reached around -15 at the beginning of the year and the girls were just fine.

I think it's been said before, but adding heat is a big risk. First off, if the power goes out, your birds are not acclimated to the cold and will suffer more in that scenario than they would if you just let them get used to the cold.

Second off, the huge fire risk is repellant enough, at least for me. Especially when it comes to those rickety clamp lamps and huge 250 watt bulbs. Those are overkill, and no manner of justification will get past the fact. 250 watt bulbs should not be used with poultry for any reason. They can ignite bedding if they fall. They can ignite dust if it lands on them. They can even shatter and leave glass shards all over your coop and open wires in the dusty air. They are just asking for trouble.

The only bird I have lost to the cold was weak to start with. She had lost almost all of her feathers in her molt and was already shaky. That is the only time I would ever think to give a bird some help with the cold, and I definitely would not add heat to my entire flock for one individual. What I would recommend if you're worried about your birds is to observe them. If they start looking weak or shaky, THEN act. Most birds will huddle, and that's perfectly normal for them to do. If they are not walking straight or are having trouble standing, that's when you worry.

I should add as well that common sense is necessary in deciding when to intervene. Chicks and some exotic species do need heat. Adult chickens do not.

That super cold weather I mentioned before? My birds were running around outside in the paths I shoveled in the snow like nothing was wrong. A few stayed inside for the very coldest temps, but most of them were fine running around like usual in the negative temps. This includes my supposedly cold-intolerant breeds like my Silkie, my Sebright bantams, my Mediterranian breeds (Leghorn, Ancona, etc.). They were perfectly happy. If you heat your coop, your birds will huddle inside all day and be miserable because it's too cold for them to go outside and get fresh air. This has been my opinion for a few years now and I've never seen anything to prove otherwise.

P.S. I don't say this because I don't love my birds. I adore them. I say this because I know this is what is better for them. That's all there is to it.






And sorry if I sound grumpy, but my widdle Wibbles may or may not be sick so I'm not in a very humorous mood at the moment.
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It's a free country.

I use a 250W heat lamp that is in a location where it cannot set anything on fire. It's not like it's 70 degrees in the coop, it elevates the temp in the henhouse (only) about 15 degrees, so on those zero degree days, it was about 15 inside the henhouse. Depending on the temperature and winds, they determined whether they stayed in the henhouse, relaxed in the coop, or ran around in the snowy yard. They were active, comfortable, and all this "adjustment" that people are talking about was not evident at all with my flock. Like I said, it's not like it was a sauna in there. They had no adjustment problems between being in the slightly warmer henhouse and the wind-protected coop and plain old outdoors. We maintained good egg production, too. When we can afford it, I will install a Sweeter Heater and take down the 250W heat lamp. Now the girls also have a little insulation outside the henhouse on all four sides that helps keep temperatures steady in all seasons.

I have the same feeling about my chickens as I do cats and dogs. In extreme conditions, they have more need for protection from the wind and cold, and a source of water (not ice). I don't think anyone here believes that chickens can do without heated waterers in the winter (unless you have a fully heated barn or coop that stays above freezing). They can't. No matter what kind of system you have, below 32 degrees that water is going to freeze, and given enough time, it will be rock hard. Nipples freeze even when the water in the containers is heated and circulated. Just because a chicken might be cold-hardy down to zero doesn't mean it is ideal to live at zero degrees. I watch these shows in which people are living in Alaska, above the Arctic Circle, and I am amazed. Humans can withstand intense cold IF properly prepared with the right clothing and equipment. However, most of us would rather be inside most of the day with our gas or electric heaters keeping our homes in the 60's or 70's.

I'm absolutely not trying to start an argument, but no one can dictate to another person what is right with regard to heating their coop, henhouse, barn, or whatever for any animal, as long as the animal's needs are met without sickness or death. Some methods of heating are safer than others, yes indeed. Also, if I lived in Alabama I wouldn't be worried about heating my henhouse--I'd be installing fans and/or misters to keep them cool in the summer. There are few places in this country without extreme weather occasionally in one season or another. Our personal cutoff for the birds is 18-20 degrees. Below that, the heat is on. When it's above 20, the heat is off. Some breeds might benefit from more heat. I agree that healthy adult birds with a full set of feathers can probably acclimate down to around zero, if there is no wind. But how often does that happen? In Indiana, when it's that cold, it is rarely a day without biting winds. I'd rather spend a few bucks on electricity for my personal peace of mind.

I am nearly certain that everyone on this list loves their birds (even those of us who are utilitarian and send some to freezer camp). People show love in different ways. Thank goodness there are lots of ways to get a good result with our birds. We each have to educate ourselves and listen to our own hearts, and most importantly, listen to the chickens. If a person's chickens are happy with no heat, that's great. But please don't tell the rest of us that heating, wind protection, insulation, or anything else we choose to do to keep our chickens comfortable is wrong. I did not lose a single bird last winter, and they layed pretty well for winter on all but the most horrible -20 windchill days. Those of us who choose to add heat have the right to do so as long as we have researched the options and considered the pros and cons, and it doesn't mean we are ignorant or uncaring about our birds. Insulting the majority of us by saying you know what is better for everybody and all birds is not a very effective way to influence people. You are welcome to do whatever you please with your flock. Please remember that we have that right, too.
 
I am not from Indiana but I was invited to this thread by kabhyper1, she said you guys were great and would allow me to join. I was in another thread where we both posted and there was some bad JuJu so I no longer feel comfortable posting there. I am from East TN and this is my first year with chickens. My LF cochin hatched out some barnyard mix chicks at the same time kabhyper1's hen did. We enjoyed sharing pictures of the chicks on the previous thread. So I would love to be able to join this thread and share some pics and stories with all of you if that is ok.


I am not in Indiana either. These guys/gals are great! They've made me feel like family. Welcome CUZ. Lol. I'm a WV hillbilly and feel right at home here.
 
I didn't take pipd's post to sound like she was trying to dictate...just took it as her opinion.... so just wanted to say that all the varying things that were shared are good for everyone to consider. But...I did want to come to her defense - if that's the right way to say it - to say that I didn't take it that way at all!

I'm loving reading everyone's thoughts on this so keep 'em coming! :D
 
Quote: I will look forward to reading it. And when you are ready to attract more attention I think you can release a kindle copy on Amazon for free to the reader for the first 30 days its out then up the price to $0.25-$0.99 and watch the money start rolling in. Especially if you release only a chapter or two at a time. As long as demand for cheap reading materials is high you might make more money with a book priced under $1 than a $19.95 volume.

I hope it is okay to post this here.

I have a 4 month old Jubilee Orpington cockerel for sale. 100% Greenfire. I bought 5 straight run chicks, and got 3 boys. I really don't need three! He is bigger than all my hens as of a month ago. He is NPIP certified, but too big to ship.

Even if you aren't particularly interested in breeding them, they make handsome additions to any flock.

I can't part with any of my pullets, but could produce chicks that could be bred to him sometime next spring. I have 4 pullets from another source that include the Sacre line.

I'd like $25 for him. PM me if you are interested. I would consider a trade, but pullets/hens only. I'm going to have 4 or 5 boys for the two colors of Orps I work with. However, we have a separate mixed layer flock, too!
I'm going to send you a PM. Is there a way you can post a picture or guess a weight.


These are my Babys, growing up and getting their curls.




The first darker one is my favorite and the tan is my second favorite. If I had any geese, these would be my first choice.
How well do geese lay. For some reason I have it in my head that they lay a really nice sized egg but have a short laying season each year.

On a different note I really really do not like grain mites. If anyone has an idea of a smell or some other additive that could be put on or even in the food bags to keep the mites from hatching that would be great. So far DE has not really worked well. And bay leaves did not even put a dent in the tiny creepy crawlies. True or pure vanilla does keep the flies away but does not last long I was having to re-mist the area 3 times a day and by morning they would be back since I did not mist in the night. Lemon juice sprayed in the area (not on the food since chickens don't like it) did not change the bug population at all. The fly traps of course catch flies and gnats but wow that smell is not coming within 200 feet of my house. It smells worse than the duck pond, also not coming within 200 feet of my house.
 
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On a different note I really really do not like grain mites. If anyone has an idea of a smell or some other additive that could be put on or even in the food bags to keep the mites from hatching that would be great.
Everything I keep reading about the grain mites says that the humidity (which you told me before) is a huge issue. Is there any possibility that you could store the feed somewhere dryer? Like in the basement if your house is air conditioned?

Quote: http://www.nypestpro.com/mites/grainmites.html#.U_aIpGOz760
Here are some thoughts...but I don't know if any of them will work as I haven't had that issue.
I know that eucalyptus smell is a pretty strong deterant for many bugs but not sure about the grain mites. I'm thinking that you'd need to put the oils into a canning jar or something that you can put a cheesecloth or something similar over the top and screw down the lid over it so that there is a strong smell. You would leave them in your grain storage area instead of having to spray stuff all the time.

Might want to take a look at the ingredients in these to get some ideas. I think it's zeolite that they use as a carrier for the oils in these and they stay pretty strong. You could refresh them too if you started w/one of these or add additional oils to them. http://www.earthkind.com/how-to-use/stay-away#.U_aKFmOz760



Might try a combo of any of the following. These don't mention mites specifically but any or all of them may work and may even be better in combination.
 

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