Iowa Blues - Breed thread and discussion

Lets hear it for a new and revised version !
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I really don't have any cause in this, wherever the club flows I am with ya'll.

For a show meeting, I sorta assume it'd be an Iowa show, long drive, but outside chance on being able to go, depending on when and where, or even flying out. Need planning ahead time though.

In the meantime, I would suggest that each and everyone of us look at what we have, and, try to visualize what it is that we want in an Iowa Blue.

As I said previously, I have 3 color morphs, I am open to more, what the hey !

Right up front, I will go with the flow on final colors, all I am familiar with are fine with me, really, what I am concerned about is the homesteader qualities, meat quality, ranging ability, hardiness, and laying ability. I'll tell you next summer how mine are laying. We'll see on the others.

On the size I feel there is near general agreement it needs to increase. Myself I'd like to see a mature hen at 6lbs, and wouldn't object to going over. Roosters I'd like at a minimum of 9 lbs. That's my own preference. I throw it out for consideration. But, size alone isn't all it takes to make a good meat bird, conformation is very important, I want to see a rooster having a nice brick shape, level back, chest, and breast. With legs spread far apart enough to hold that weight up and carry him around.

I also want to see that Rooster protective of his flock, I call them flockmeisters. Protect them, call them for food, and give a warning if there is danger.

The hens should have that brick shape too, goes with the size.

I am sure that they are going to have color, but, I am not going to cull a great looking hen because her color is off. I frankly don't care what her color is, as long as she has the right conformation, produces eggs and some of them will raise clutches. I will depend on her consort to provide the color the flock is aiming for. We don't eat color.

Now an aside, early on when I was reading all of these back pages I read that Glenn Drowns had indeed used the Leghorn on his flock increasing. Until I read that I was planning on ordering some chicks from him, but, I do not want Leghorn influence in my flock, its a slow uphill battle overcoming that size. Been there, finally got it done.

I passed on the Ideal birds because of the lack of uniformity of a couple other breeds I'd got from them in days of yesteryore. So, I was down on both of the hatcheries available as a source of chicks, and began looking and reading to see who has some birds I could start with. So I was able to get some hatching eggs from Kari and dispite a disastrous hatch ( way high humidity) now have the handful of no three of a kind out in the pen. A source of great interest, and fascination to watch the colors develop, almost daily. Two roosters, for sure, maybe a 3rd. Time will tell. All have a home, at least for a year or so to see how they mature, and then, to decide which way to go with them.

A lot of typing , to make one simple point, we have some real important things to decide on , before we throw the chicks out with the bath water. And these things are purely on the practical side, and color isn't anywhere involved. Lets concentrate on having a homestead breed of chicken. First.

One final point, Connie, you don't qualify to be a shmuck.
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Sorry. Its a sexist thing. But it is what it is.
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Just as an observer:\
I think I read that Glenn used Silver Penciled Rock and Silver Campine and some Egyptian Fayoumis in his crosses not any Leghorn.
I got some from this link: http://www.iowabluechickenclub.com/glenn-drowns---interview-01252013.html.
Not trying to interfere just like to keep up with what is going on.
 
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No interfering seen, right now information is what we all seriously need ! Me especially !

I could be mistaken on this, time will tell. I had understood that at the 'very beginning' of trying to recover that a Leghorn was used and then the offspring crossed as is discussed in the link. I will see if I can find more on this.

I sure agree with his points raised, on conformation especially, in fact, I put that ahead of color in the list of things to be worked on first, I am quite willing to put up with 'off color' in a hen that has got all of the rest.

Conformation, ranging ability and hardiness, overal production, then color. My own priorities. We have plenty of good colored stock right now to get roosters from to get the color. Two generations on the colored males should give a very well colored flock. It just needs patience on that while locking in the other traits. Mine is very much a flock in progress.

I am still curious about my two very light partridge pullets. Partridge on back and wings, but white throat, chest,belly and trim, very light almost dilute on the partridge. Hatch mates to my Birchen(grays) and one SP/Partridge, and one 'almost' barred that is lightening up on the throat and darkening on the body. Have one Birchen and one SP roosters. Really interesting to see them all developing, noticeably every day. I am also seeing some differences in temperament between the colors, the Birchen/Grays are the most open and almost docile, the Partridge most wary and standoffish. It might be these individuals, or just linked to the colors. Time will tell.

Others observations?
 
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My birchens/grays seem to be stronger temperamented, more dominant, make a bigger squawk when being handled. The SPs seem to be equally standoffish, but are more submissive when caught. Speaking the females here. The boys all think they're cock of the walk.
 
That is what I am seeing, my Birchens/Grays are the most dominant ones, SP next , and Partridge and all others (?) after. It will be interesting if others are seeing this or no difference.

I do think that we have ample time to sort out the various opinions and wants and settle into a long haul work on developing the breed. There is a lot of work to be done on the standard. What we have now is an excellent start. For a number of us we need to grow our our own small starts and see where we are with what we have. Our actual first breeding season is 2014 .

Theres a lot of time between now and then and a lot of water to flow under the bridge.
 
Thats very interesting, still anecdotal, but something to build on, the Birchens/Grays are also the first to take a treat, greens etc, the SP stand back and the Partridge/Dilutes are flighty. Both are pullets so have a home, for now. They dont come around until the 'flock' is gathered. Yeah, the cockerals think they are tough stuff. Comical.

Comments as to where a meeting to discuss the Standard to be held at a show in 2014 can be? I am open, any is going to be a drive for me.
 
Well, I'm trying to catch up and feel the need to share my position. I'll try to keep it simple.
  • I have always thought the Iowa Blues most of us had were a far cry from what they were and what they should be, but in order to gain entry into the APA, the standard had to at least come close to what the judges would see. At the time, we wrote the standard from the birds we had available.
  • I believe changes will need to be made. I'm excited the Sandhill birds are showing some good substance and I'd like to incorporate that into my line. I don't like taking skinny birds to the butcher.
  • I believe the Standard will need to be adjusted several times before we will finalize our official submission, but I feel in order to not look like idiots we should't change it in the middle of the show season. Remember Judges will be interviewed about their impression of the bird before APA will approve them. There really should be some consistency.
  • I believe we were planning on meeting in Iowa City this year, so perhaps we can finalize the Standard for next year.
 
Ive noticed that my Birchens (only have 3) are very nasty towards other non IBs. My Silver Penciled birds are a little better.
Mine seem to be that way too.The SPs are just as flighty but not nearly so aggressive. They do grow out of it though. My older Birchen/Gray roosters are very easy going and seem to save their energy for when they need it.

2 different 4H girls showed birds they got from me at the fairs this year and both won showmanship with their SP pullets. For me that goes to show they are trainable birds at least
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In other news my Cochin broody and her turkey partner hatched 6 SP and 6 duckwing chicks for me this week. Unfortunately they squished 2 of the DW before I found them, but the others are doing great in the company of my new Sweetgrass turkey poults. This should be the begining of hatches every 3 - 4 days for the foreseeable future. Right now I have 11 broodies incubating. I have a coop full of screeching biddies!
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I really should video tape them, they are hysterical when I do the daily checks.
 
Kari do you have pictures of your duckwings?

And do you have any at all that could be called 'dilutes' ?

My Birchens are the largest right now, looking very good, the Birchen cockeral is the dominant one, over the SP one.

I have some Icelandics hatching now, that are due on Monday, but these are always pretty precocious. 2 hatched, 2 more pipping. Hatcher is 4' from my pillow so I am sure I will be serenaded all night.

Fine with me.

Sweet music.
 
I was thinking on what Kari wrote here, the first page of this thread has a statement from Connie re the standard, that it is a 'work in progress', thats how I see it. It will have a number of additions and chages before it goes to the APA Committee.

If the meeting is in Iowa City next year I will try to be there.

Also, I think it would be wise to get a 15 or so birds from Sand Hill next year, and go on from there. I am hoping to gt several more this fall, so those plus Glenns birds should give me a good foundation flock to work with.

I think a bigger flock then I'd planned on is adviseable, I can reduce the numbers a season after they have reached maturity. Right now they are all definite maybes.
 

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