Really? I am thinking we can't afford to NOT feed organic! Watch this movie (free online) and tell me if you agree with me.....
http://geneticroulettemovie.com/
Is anyone listening?
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http://geneticroulettemovie.com/
By the way - Corid (amprollium) is genetically modified BT. I believe this is why our animals are quickly immune to it..... Listen to the first minute of this telling this.
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To each their own, but I avoid all GMO food whenever possible. The reason Monsanto produced GMO corn is so that it could be sprayed with their weed killer, Round-Up, and survive while the weeds don't. Thus the name, Round-Up Ready Corn. They're also doing this with soy, cotton, and other crops.
A Purina salesman verified this for me when I asked if they made organic feeds and he patronizingly responded, "Tell me what you're trying to accomplish". <insert smarmy grin, here>
I replied, "I want eggs that come from chickens that have NOT been fed corn or soy that's been genetically modified and sprayed with Round-Up."
"Oh.", said he. "In that case, you'll have to find organic. But, since the majority of corn is GMO and Round-Up Ready, that's the only kind we can get in large enough quantities to meet our demand."
I suggest you free-range or pasture raise your chickens on unsprayed land and compensate with as much other GMO food as possible. I agree that the organic stuff is very expensive, which is why I drove all the way to the city yesterday to buy my feed at a 33% savings. I saved $60 and stopoed at a big box store for big savings on other supplies, justifying the cost of the trip. I might have spent another $25 in gas, but I saved a ton more than that. Be creative!!
http://www.monsanto.com/weedmanagement/pages/roundup-ready-system.aspx
Overview
Developed in 1974, Roundup
brand agricultural herbicides continue to be a perfect fit with the vision of sustainable agriculture and environmental protection. In fact, their use on Roundup Ready
crops has allowed farmers to conserve fuel and decrease the overall amount of agricultural herbicides used.
Roundup Ready
Soybeans were commercialized in 1996, followed by alfalfa, corn, cotton, spring canola, sugarbeets and winter canola, which contain in-plant tolerance to Roundup
agricultural herbicides. This means you can spray Roundup agricultural herbicides in-crop from emergence through flowering for unsurpassed weed control, proven crop safety and maximum yield potential.
To each their own, but I avoid all GMO food whenever possible. The reason Monsanto produced GMO corn is so that it could be sprayed with their weed killer, Round-Up, and survive while the weeds don't. Thus the name, Round-Up Ready Corn. They're also doing this with soy, cotton, and other crops.
A Purina salesman verified this for me when I asked if they made organic feeds and he patronizingly responded, "Tell me what you're trying to accomplish". <insert smarmy grin, here>
I replied, "I want eggs that come from chickens that have NOT been fed corn or soy that's been genetically modified and sprayed with Round-Up."
"Oh.", said he. "In that case, you'll have to find organic. But, since the majority of corn is GMO and Round-Up Ready, that's the only kind we can get in large enough quantities to meet our demand."
I suggest you free-range or pasture raise your chickens on unsprayed land and compensate with as much other GMO food as possible. I agree that the organic stuff is very expensive, which is why I drove all the way to the city yesterday to buy my feed at a 33% savings. I saved $60 and stopoed at a big box store for big savings on other supplies, justifying the cost of the trip. I might have spent another $25 in gas, but I saved a ton more than that. Be creative!!
http://www.monsanto.com/weedmanagement/pages/roundup-ready-system.aspx
Overview
Developed in 1974, Roundup
Roundup Ready
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Funny, isn't it, how people can get on talk shows and run their mouths, and others take up their words and repeat them like gospel?
Sorry, kathyinmo, but this source is wrong. Corid has nothing to do with BT, not in its origin, or even in its mode of action.
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I feel the same way about human critters too. I get all
with folks who run to the doc for every little thing and insist on treatment for something that your own immune system, with a little support in the way of medicinal food, will conquer! We're becoming a nation of hypocondriacs who create their own illnesses and enable bugs to flourish! I'm of the "prevention is worth a pound of cure" faction...as in bolster your health and immune system by eating right...not by "pre-treating" with drugs something that may or may not ever happen!
Corid ingredients : http://www.drugs.com/vet/corid-25-type-a-medicated-article.html
Active Drug Ingredient
Amprolium
25%
Corn Gluten Feed and Soybean Oil
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http://web.utk.edu/~jurat/Btresearchtable.html
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http://web.utk.edu/~jurat/Btresearchtable.html
Bacillus thuringiensis (or Bt) is a common gram positive, spore-forming, soil bacterium. When resources are limited, vegetative Bt cells undergo sporulation, synthesizing a protein crystal during spore formation. Proteins in these crystals are called Cry (from Crystal) endotoxins and have been known for decades to display insecticidal activity against specific insect groups. Even though insecticidal formulations based on Bt toxins have been used for many years, it was the development and commercialization of insect-resistant transgenic Bt crops expressing Cry toxins that revolutionized the history of agriculture. Benefits of this technology include high specificity and potency, reduction in chemical pesticide applications, and increased crop yield.
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How do Cry toxins work?
Even though Cry toxins have been extensively used commercially, the specifics of their mode of action are still controversial. This multi-step toxicity process (see Figure below) includes ingestion of the Cry protein by a susceptible insect, solubilization, and procesing from a protoxin to an activated toxin core in the insect digestive fluid. The toxin core travels across the peritrophic matrix and binds to specific receptors called cadherins on the brush border membrane of the gut cells. Toxin binding to cadherin proteins results in activation of an oncotic cell death pathway and/or formation of toxin oligomers that bind to GPI-anchored proteins and concentrate on regions of the cell membrane called lipid rafts. Accumulation of toxin oligomers results in toxin insertion in the membrane, pore formation, osmotic cell shock, and ultimately insect death. Whether oncosis, pore formation and/or both mechanisms are ultimately responsible for enterocyte death is still controversial.
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Oh, and I love the last sentence in this article:
http://www.biotecharticles.com/Agri...n-Method-Mode-of-Action-and-Benefits-236.html
Bt corn is a genetically modified maize which has been developed by using the techniques of biotechnology. This corn is poisonous for the insects because a special kind of protein is expressed in its genome which is derived from a bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis. Bacillus thuringiensis is a soil bacterium which increases the soil fertility. The expressed protein is harmful and poisonous for the microorganisms but is useful for the humans and animals. The protein is able to code for a toxin which is when eaten by an insect, it crystallizes in the digestive tract of insect larvae and results in the starvation of the organism. It is also able to produce many insecticidal compounds which are also called as Bt toxins. These toxins reduce the use of pesticides in corn plants.
Method to develop Bt Corn:-
To make the corn genetically modified, a bacterium bacillus thuringiensis is used as a donor organism. The gene of interest that Bt delta endotoxin is taken from it which codes for a protein. This protein has the ability to kill the larvae of the insect. When a gene of interest is inserted in some other organism to see particular traits, it is necessary to insert some additional components also, so that the function of the desired gene can be observed properly. When we talk about the Bt corn, then the gene of interest is inserted in the following way.
Protein Gene:-
The gene of interest which codes for a particular protein in inserted in the genome of the corn. Bt genes produce Cry proteins in the corn.
Promoter:-
Along with the Bt gene, a promoter is also inserted into the corn. The function of the promoter is to control the Cry protein and it also sees that how much protein is produced by the plant. Sometimes, the protein produces in some particular parts of the plant such as leaves, pollen or tissues but in some cases the desired protein produces in the whole plant.
Genetic Marker:-
Genetic markers are used by the seed companies to see the transformation of the protein in the plants. Some genetic markers include antibiotic resistance or herbicide resistant markers.
All the three components are inserted into the plant through various biotechnological techniques. Gene gun is one technique which is used for this purpose. The site where the whole package is inserted may affect the production of protein and it may be able to affect the plant's other functions. For this reason, the scientists have to carefully insert the Bt protein and should ensure the its sufficient production.
Mode of Action:-
When the corn plant grows along with new protein expressed in it, now it is able to attack the insects which eat it. It is during the larval stage of the insect, that most of the damage occurs to the corn crops. When the insects eat a particular part of the plant which contains the Bt protein, it attaches to the wall of the gut of the insect. As a result, the insect is unable to feed itself because due to the Bt protein, the gut wall breaks down and the normal gut bacteria attacks the body cavity of the insect. The insect starves due to the multiplication of the bacteria in its blood and dies ultimately.
Though Bt corn is harmful for the insects but it is beneficent for the humans and other animals like fish and birds. It is also environment friendly.
Benefits of Bt Corn:-
Due to the presence of a protein in the Bt corn from Bacillus thuringiensis, it is able to kill many insects which are harmful for the plant. The productivity of the corn crops increases and it can be beneficent economically. It is not toxic to humans and provides nutrients which are useful for their health.
Article Source: http://www.biotecharticles.com/
http://www.biotecharticles.com/Agri...n-Method-Mode-of-Action-and-Benefits-236.html
Bt corn is a genetically modified maize which has been developed by using the techniques of biotechnology. This corn is poisonous for the insects because a special kind of protein is expressed in its genome which is derived from a bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis. Bacillus thuringiensis is a soil bacterium which increases the soil fertility. The expressed protein is harmful and poisonous for the microorganisms but is useful for the humans and animals. The protein is able to code for a toxin which is when eaten by an insect, it crystallizes in the digestive tract of insect larvae and results in the starvation of the organism. It is also able to produce many insecticidal compounds which are also called as Bt toxins. These toxins reduce the use of pesticides in corn plants.
Method to develop Bt Corn:-
To make the corn genetically modified, a bacterium bacillus thuringiensis is used as a donor organism. The gene of interest that Bt delta endotoxin is taken from it which codes for a protein. This protein has the ability to kill the larvae of the insect. When a gene of interest is inserted in some other organism to see particular traits, it is necessary to insert some additional components also, so that the function of the desired gene can be observed properly. When we talk about the Bt corn, then the gene of interest is inserted in the following way.
Protein Gene:-
The gene of interest which codes for a particular protein in inserted in the genome of the corn. Bt genes produce Cry proteins in the corn.
Promoter:-
Along with the Bt gene, a promoter is also inserted into the corn. The function of the promoter is to control the Cry protein and it also sees that how much protein is produced by the plant. Sometimes, the protein produces in some particular parts of the plant such as leaves, pollen or tissues but in some cases the desired protein produces in the whole plant.
Genetic Marker:-
Genetic markers are used by the seed companies to see the transformation of the protein in the plants. Some genetic markers include antibiotic resistance or herbicide resistant markers.
All the three components are inserted into the plant through various biotechnological techniques. Gene gun is one technique which is used for this purpose. The site where the whole package is inserted may affect the production of protein and it may be able to affect the plant's other functions. For this reason, the scientists have to carefully insert the Bt protein and should ensure the its sufficient production.
Mode of Action:-
When the corn plant grows along with new protein expressed in it, now it is able to attack the insects which eat it. It is during the larval stage of the insect, that most of the damage occurs to the corn crops. When the insects eat a particular part of the plant which contains the Bt protein, it attaches to the wall of the gut of the insect. As a result, the insect is unable to feed itself because due to the Bt protein, the gut wall breaks down and the normal gut bacteria attacks the body cavity of the insect. The insect starves due to the multiplication of the bacteria in its blood and dies ultimately.
Though Bt corn is harmful for the insects but it is beneficent for the humans and other animals like fish and birds. It is also environment friendly.
Benefits of Bt Corn:-
Due to the presence of a protein in the Bt corn from Bacillus thuringiensis, it is able to kill many insects which are harmful for the plant. The productivity of the corn crops increases and it can be beneficent economically. It is not toxic to humans and provides nutrients which are useful for their health.
Article Source: http://www.biotecharticles.com/
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If you have the capacity to grow it, there are still some sources that sell the old fashioned, open pollinated feed corn. Shumways is one, I believe, along with Baker Creek. I'm not sure of any others. I think it was Baker Creek that wrote of Monsanto trying to horn in on their seed sales with something about how Baker Creek couldn't guarantee that the seed they were selling wasn't wind pollinated by copyrighted Monsanto GMO corn! I might have the seed seller mixed up, but not Monsanto.
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Silly - I have a friend who I didn't know was allergic to eggs. He got sick when he ate them. I gave him and his some eggs, and they called me up to buy eggs as he ate some and was fine. I just sold them two more doz.
My DW has a lady at work whose hus. has eczema or one of those things and he eats my eggs. He's been eating organic since he has less flare ups and problems.
Speckledhen - thanks for weighing in. Here the medicated is at least $1 or $2 more per 50#. I do like to start chicks out with it. I rarely lose a bird or chick. I attribute that to clean and dry coops and brooders.
My DW has a lady at work whose hus. has eczema or one of those things and he eats my eggs. He's been eating organic since he has less flare ups and problems.
Speckledhen - thanks for weighing in. Here the medicated is at least $1 or $2 more per 50#. I do like to start chicks out with it. I rarely lose a bird or chick. I attribute that to clean and dry coops and brooders.
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The last article I read on Monsanto is that those who they go after have turned the tables. Filing suits that state that their NON -GMO corn and soy is being polluted or comtaminated with Monsantos' GMO's.
Shumways and Baker Creek, I believe may be one and the same. I'm not sure. I do know that in looking at the addresses for orders there are two of them that are exactly the same. I am certain that Baker Creek and another catalog I get are one and the same.
Like everything else I try to do the best I can when it comes to my garden and my chickens. .
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