Is backyard dog breeding profitable?

[onthespot]

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I would say that the reject animals are largely the result of accidental and unplanned litters of large dogs. Backyard breeders in it for the money quit pretty quick if they are not making money. There is no money in pitt mix with shep-rott-chow-lab-boxer-spainels. Well, unless you are a rescue. Then that dog becomes worth about $250 of a tax deductible contribution if they went ahead and got their 501-c-3 non-profit status legally filed and all.

 

[redhen]

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I have to admit to having the same issues with BYC. And people jump on those breeding their cats too.

NOT that I am for it, but it's just not fair.

The other things I think about and I may just get bashed for saying this but I call things the way I see them;

People here want to say that you will spend money and lose money correctly breeding dogs and cats to insure they end up in the right hands and homes. And that BYBrs are wrong because they cut corners and don't know where their puppies and kittens end up yet they turn a profit on selling them...

OKAY, how praytell, is the BYB ANY different from those of us here on BYC who are selling our chicks, chickens, ducks, turkeys, geese, quail, peacocks, goats, horses, pigs, rabbits, etc.?
ESPECIALLY the poultry!
What I mean by this is; When is the last time you rushed a breeding hen (EVEN show quality!) to a vet to have surgery because she had a prolaspe (likening this to a dog having a c-section here), or do you REALLY interview and assess (how about a home check?!) every person who buys chicks or eggs from you to make sure they won't be bumped around and end up in a shelter or neglected?

Why?
Because at the end of the day MOST people here feel it's "Just a chicken" and if the prolapse is bad enough, cull the hen. If the chicks end up going to someone who neglects them or needs to give them away quick and gives them to someone who eats them, they might care a little but it's just a chicken...

At what point did dogs in particular become more than animals? This is what I want to know.
Us humans have done such a marvelous job of making dogs into our surrogant children and projecting human emotions onto them, that we have actually hurt them and caused more behavioral problems (Seperation anxiety, etc.) and issues with them than people ever had with dogs back a few hundred years ago when dogs were primarily used for their breeds purpose and not coddled like they are not. They didn't need Cesar Milan back then people.

People on craigslist attack anyone asking a rehoming fee of any kind unless the dog is completely up to date on shots, is fixed, and comes with his things, and then only a couple of hundred dollars is acceptable. BUT one section away in farm and garden it's perfectly acceptable to sell a nag horse for hundreds of dollars who has nothing done to it.
I may be straying from the original topic here but I feel that we are sending very mixed messages as human beings.

Things are way too off kilter here. I just feel that either all animals need to be gaurded closely and or all need to be treated like animals/livestock, etc. It cannot be pick and choose.

Also, I think the main message was put out too strongly that only a show person can responsibly produce puppies and kittens. This is not true IMO.
I know of a couple of small hobby breeders who do not cut corners but who also do not show their animals but still produce really nice healthy animals.


Sorry for my personal rant. I just don't know how a dogs life got to be more important than a ducks like or a cows life, you know?

What she said!!!

 

[verity]

This thread is wandering off topic -- so I might as well add that I foster Japanese Chin (a 'cute,' small breed) and Chin Rescue is up to its ears in unwanted dogs --

OP asked a good question and got some interesting answers -- nice to see there was no real 'bashing' -- just an exchange of ideas --

 

[PineBurrowPeeps]

Yes, I am proud of us all, no one jumped down eachothers throats, THIS IS GOOD!

 

[onthespot]

for those of you who don't feel it is ethical to breed dogs but want to help, and make money, you can try your hand at rescue, also known as "Flip that dog"
You can shop early, shop often at your local pound and try to snag the younger, friendly cute dogs that hopefully were already spayed/neutered when they got there, which makes their fee $20 at my shelter. For twenty dogs you can get a nice little neutered beagle boy. If you stick with neutered dogs under a year, they almost ALWAYS have had their shots, so they don't get parvo and die when you get them home. You then can decide on your adoption fee and advertise the dog you "saved" from the pound and you don't have any of the expense of breeding, none of the work of raising the dog, and none of the guilt about any bad dentition (bad bite, teeth don't match up) or shy personality. You can blame it on the "abuse" from its previous owner instead of the fact that it is just a substandard dog and write up an adoption contract that is iron clad in protecting you from any comesies backsies from anyone who adopts from you and you are on your way to a life of rescuing and saving dogs.

 

[chinbunny]

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Ironic isn't it? Can you imagine someone saying you should only breed show ducks or show chickens???

Lol there goes the hatcheries. Where people buy pet quality birds from.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Craigslist is full of people doing just that. But dont offer a pup or they will flag ya.

 

[Wolf-Kim]

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Ironic isn't it? Can you imagine someone saying you should only breed show ducks or show chickens???

Lol there goes the hatcheries. Where people buy pet quality birds from.

I know the point you were trying to make with this, but it actually is a perfect example.

What can we expect from hatchery birds? Many are far from the standard, undersized, aggressive/flighty, and have huge genetic defects. I know a gentleman who wanted Jersey Giants, bought Black Jerseys from a hatchery and 50% of those birds had white or brown on them, and several were even severely and horribly disfigured. Does it mean all birds from the hatchery are bad? No, but the quality has gone way way down, and they market birds under rare breed names when in reality the birds wouldn't even stand to qualify to enter into a show. And how many folks picked up an RIR rooster from the hatcheries and been mauled by it! LOL

A friend of mine runs a layer farm and said the running joke in the industry is the reason you can put 80,000 hatchery produced leghorns into a single building is because, half of those are always in the air( because they are so flighty).

 

[chinbunny]

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I have to admit to having the same issues with BYC. And people jump on those breeding their cats too.

NOT that I am for it, but it's just not fair.

The other things I think about and I may just get bashed for saying this but I call things the way I see them;

People here want to say that you will spend money and lose money correctly breeding dogs and cats to insure they end up in the right hands and homes. And that BYBrs are wrong because they cut corners and don't know where their puppies and kittens end up yet they turn a profit on selling them...

OKAY, how praytell, is the BYB ANY different from those of us here on BYC who are selling our chicks, chickens, ducks, turkeys, geese, quail, peacocks, goats, horses, pigs, rabbits, etc.?
ESPECIALLY the poultry!
What I mean by this is; When is the last time you rushed a breeding hen (EVEN show quality!) to a vet to have surgery because she had a prolaspe (likening this to a dog having a c-section here), or do you REALLY interview and assess (how about a home check?!) every person who buys chicks or eggs from you to make sure they won't be bumped around and end up in a shelter or neglected?

Why?
Because at the end of the day MOST people here feel it's "Just a chicken" and if the prolapse is bad enough, cull the hen. If the chicks end up going to someone who neglects them or needs to give them away quick and gives them to someone who eats them, they might care a little but it's just a chicken...

At what point did dogs in particular become more than animals? This is what I want to know.
Us humans have done such a marvelous job of making dogs into our surrogant children and projecting human emotions onto them, that we have actually hurt them and caused more behavioral problems (Seperation anxiety, etc.) and issues with them than people ever had with dogs back a few hundred years ago when dogs were primarily used for their breeds purpose and not coddled like they are not. They didn't need Cesar Milan back then people.

People on craigslist attack anyone asking a rehoming fee of any kind unless the dog is completely up to date on shots, is fixed, and comes with his things, and then only a couple of hundred dollars is acceptable. BUT one section away in farm and garden it's perfectly acceptable to sell a nag horse for hundreds of dollars who has nothing done to it.
I may be straying from the original topic here but I feel that we are sending very mixed messages as human beings.

Things are way too off kilter here. I just feel that either all animals need to be gaurded closely and or all need to be treated like animals/livestock, etc. It cannot be pick and choose.

Also, I think the main message was put out too strongly that only a show person can responsibly produce puppies and kittens. This is not true IMO.
I know of a couple of small hobby breeders who do not cut corners but who also do not show their animals but still produce really nice healthy animals.


Sorry for my personal rant. I just don't know how a dogs life got to be more important than a ducks like or a cows life, you know?

I bet you anything that some of their animals end up going to the auction barns. Not that I have anything against it, because I use them myself, but just saying.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quality is relative to who not how many.