Is it moral to eat meat? ***Constructive Discussion ONLY***

[mommy9994]

I eat fish, like some vegetarians do since IMO it isn't like eating a cow, and fish tastes better than beef to me anyhow

That's something else I've wondered about... wouldn't that make you NOT a vegetarian? I've had people say "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat fish and/or chicken", well, then you aren't a vegetarian are you? That would make me practically a vegetarian, as we rarely eat red meat. If a person chooses to eat vegetarian because they think it's wrong to kill animals, wouldn't it be just as wrong to kill a fish as a chicken? I can see eating pescatarian for health reasons-- fish is certainly healthy (so long as it's clean and not filled with mercury or other contaminates), but that's still not vegetarian IMO.

Please don't think I'm trying to be judgemental or picking an arguement. I would really like to understand this. Is it more of a vegetarian "mindset"?​

 

[warcard]

Most hunting these days isn't allowed in the spring/summer to allow new animals to be born and grow without stressing the adults. Also most animals are skinny from winter fasting, so hunting in the fall as the animal is fattening up to survive the winter provides more meat. Previously (and in other countries presently) man hunted year round. There may be more parasites and other things present in the warm periods also, so that can be a tertiary reason. Also furs from trapping are best when the animal is in its winter coat.

 

[Buff Hooligans]

Removing comments about vegans which are a little too flipant for my liking. Mod

 

[Crunchie]

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That's something else I've wondered about... wouldn't that make you NOT a vegetarian? I've had people say "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat fish and/or chicken", well, then you aren't a vegetarian are you? That would make me practically a vegetarian, as we rarely eat red meat. If a person chooses to eat vegetarian because they think it's wrong to kill animals, wouldn't it be just as wrong to kill a fish as a chicken? I can see eating pescatarian for health reasons-- fish is certainly healthy (so long as it's clean and not filled with mercury or other contaminates), but that's still not vegetarian IMO.

Please don't think I'm trying to be judgemental or picking an arguement. I would really like to understand this. Is it more of a vegetarian "mindset"?

Someone who eats fish is not a vegetarian by definition. But I think that Nupine obviously leads a vegetarian-type lifestyle, overall.

We could probably split hairs for days over the darn terminology...

I don't think it's important, though.

 

[Nupine]

Mommy9994, I am a vegetarian in my opinion. Sure, a fish does feel pain and it is alive. But a fish isn't a mammal, cows, pigs, goats, dogs, and people are. OK. Do you understand. Please don't tell me I am not what I am. Alot of vegetarians eat fish. I do belive chicken is a meat. Although not a mammal, I own and love chickens, so I would never eat one. Yes fish is healthy, and I like it grilled, baked, fried, etc. So I eat it. I am guessing most of the vegetarians on here eat cheese and ho-hos, those are NOT meat free. I am not positive, but I think tires have beef fat in them, and I am guessing all vegetarians drive. It is just about impossible to call yourself a true 100% vegan.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Personally, I like the term veggitist for people who eat a mostly plant based diet with some animal products like dairy and fish. JMHO

Lacto-ovo vegetarian-someone who eats a plant based diet and includes dairy and eggs

Vegetarian-someone who eats a solely plant based diet

Vegan-someone who eats an exclusively plant based diet and doen't not used animal based products such as leather, cosmetics with animal fats, or animal tested products. This does not usually include medications that are animal tested because virtually all FDA approved meds are animal tested.

Most people who are vegetarian see this as a continuem that they might move up and down. Very few fit in the strictest vegan definition, and I feel that those that do are the most militant.

 

[Wolf-Kim]

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LOL. Being struck by a vehicle was the scenario in mind, I just didn't want to narrow it so. But, yes, that was my idea.. I know many people that would pick a freshly killed deer(or cow) off the side of the road.. Not everyone lives by Biblical standards.. It was just one of those things that was nagging at my mind last night..

-Kim

 

[Crunchie]

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that's a very interesting question, I'd like to know too. I *think* that it may be exploiting the cow. Not being vegan, I don't know.

I have always had a really hard time wrapping my brain around the whole bee thing. Especially because bees are so critical to the environment and producing VEGGIES!!!

At least you have a good reason! the only vegan I've known IRL ate honey because "I don't like bees" she also worked in an ice cream shop?

There are also "raw fruitarians"-- assuming they only eat raw fruit.

I'll agree that you can eat healthy with a "reasonable vegetarian" type diet, but I just don't think one could be healthy with a strict vegan or "raw fruit" diet.

Something I've always wondered...

Why all the "fake meat" products? I mean, if you are going to be vegetarian, why eat something that pretends to be meat? I don't mean regular tofu, but fake dogs, burgers, sausage...

I try to feed my family real food, so we avoid the processed stuff anyhow.​

IMHO, your vegan aquaintance sounds immature. Someone who decided to be vegan because it was "cool", and didn't really think it through.

I don't think that eating a raw fruit diet is healthy, either. Balance people, balance!! Goodness.

As for fake meat products...I think it became a way to market veg products to meat-eaters as well as hard core vegetarians. It's a novelty. We do enjoy the ocasional veggie burger, but mainly because it's something easy and different to make. The pre-packaged burgers we like, though, are really just a patty of veggies (Dr. Praeger's Tex Mex burger, yuuuummmaayy!! ) rather than the highly processed soy-protein based ones. So not really a replacement for meat, more like just another sandwich option made from beans and veggies. I don't rely on the meat analogs. We don't need them. I don't use a lot of tofu, either. We eat a lot of beans, cheese, eggs, and whole grains.

 

[mommy9994]

Sorry, I guess I'm a "word person" LOL I like words to "mean what they mean". I tend to be very black and white, it is or it isn't.

Nupine, I'm not trying to tell you you aren't what you say you are. Do you mean that it's more of a veggie mindset? I can understand that. As I said before, I try to feed my family "real food"-- we do have some processed things though-- I don't call myself a "realfoodarian" (again with the "wordiness"). Like I said, I'm not trying to judge, just trying to understand.

IMHO, your vegan aquaintance sounds immature. Someone who decided to be vegan because it was "cool", and didn't really think it through.

considering this person, you are right. This was in highschool. I'm no longer in contact with this person to know if she is still "vegan" or not.


I'm realizing that this has gotten WAY off topic-- I'm sorry for my part in that, I'll try not to go down anymore bunny trails​

 

[Nupine]

Ok, I went to wikepedia.com and looked up vegetarian. Technicaly, I am a Pescetarian. These may not be spelled correctly, but here are some variations.

Pollocterian-A vegetarian who also eats poultry.
Pescetarian-A vegetarian who also eats seafood.
Then there were two, I can't remember the names, who eats meat on occasions, and one reduces the amount of meat they eat.
But occording to them, and vegetarian doesn't eat dairy or eggs either. Then a vegan is what?
So I guess I have to be a Lacto-Ovo Pescetarian.