Is this coryza or something else?

[AliceGee]

One of my silkie pullets had a closed runny eye about 5 days ago andshe was constantly scratching it. By today both of her eyes were closed and had a bit of crusty looking puss around them. We took her to the vets today and they prescribed enrotril, metacam (because she was in pain) and an antibiotic eye ointment. The vet wasn't really sure what it was but they didn't mention coryza, however I did tell them that there were no others with similar symptoms however this afternoon After id been I noticed one other of my chooks (I have 6 in total) had a closed eye too. And was scratching it.The one I took to the vet had two closed eyes, white discharge, she'd hadn't eaten much but still not that lethargic, I think her not eating was a result of her eye discomfort and having them closed (they're not stuck closed). She hasn't been sneezing or coughing at all but was putting her head back for air very now and then, not all the time, which the vet did see and she's in her own little 'hospital' box. The other one with the closed eye just has that symptom at the moment. I've read about coryza that it will effect the whole flock in ten days but only two of mine have bad eyes and it's been 5 or so days since they started. I've also read and seen pictures of chooks with coryza and their whole face and sinuses are swollen, looking front on the face really sticks out, where as mine just has the closed sore eyes, the vet did say she had swollen corneas though but they're her face isn't visibly swollen at all, just the closed eyes that she does open every now and then. Is it possible it could be something else? Conjunctivitis or a repository problem? I'm hoping it's not coryza, I'd hate to have to cull my silkies

Thanks

 

[AliceGee]

Also every time I've checked there's been no discharge at all from her nostrils

 

[Fancychooklady]

One of my silkie pullets had a closed runny eye about 5 days ago andshe was constantly scratching it. By today both of her eyes were closed and had a bit of crusty looking puss around them. We took her to the vets today and they prescribed enrotril, metacam (because she was in pain) and an antibiotic eye ointment. The vet wasn't really sure what it was but they didn't mention coryza, however I did tell them that there were no others with similar symptoms however this afternoon After id been I noticed one other of my chooks (I have 6 in total) had a closed eye too. And was scratching it.The one I took to the vet had two closed eyes, white discharge, she'd hadn't eaten much but still not that lethargic, I think her not eating was a result of her eye discomfort and having them closed (they're not stuck closed). She hasn't been sneezing or coughing at all but was putting her head back for air very now and then, not all the time, which the vet did see and she's in her own little 'hospital' box. The other one with the closed eye just has that symptom at the moment. I've read about coryza that it will effect the whole flock in ten days but only two of mine have bad eyes and it's been 5 or so days since they started. I've also read and seen pictures of chooks with coryza and their whole face and sinuses are swollen, looking front on the face really sticks out, where as mine just has the closed sore eyes, the vet did say she had swollen corneas though but they're her face isn't visibly swollen at all, just the closed eyes that she does open every now and then. Is it possible it could be something else? Conjunctivitis or a repository problem? I'm hoping it's not coryza, I'd hate to have to cull my silkies

Thanks

One of the symptoms of coryza are a foul smell emitted from the mouth and nostrils. Mycoplasma on the other hand leaves them with bubbles in the eyes and nostrils. Are you hearing any rattling in their breathing?
I had a roo with a sinus infection , I made up warm salted water drew it up into a syringe and irrigated the eyes . Once the puss was cleaned out I put antibiotic drops in. He cleared up in a week.
You will need to keep the two affected birds away from the others. Do they have overgrown crests, if so I would trim them so that the feathers don't get mucky and irritate the eyes further. This link helps to explain some of the symptoms you should be looking out for.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

 

[AliceGee]

One of the symptoms of coryza are a foul smell emitted from the mouth and nostrils. Mycoplasma on the other hand leaves them with bubbles in the eyes and nostrils. Are you hearing any rattling in their breathing?
I had a roo with a sinus infection , I made up warm salted water drew it up into a syringe and irrigated the eyes . Once the puss was cleaned out I put antibiotic drops in. He cleared up in a week.
You will need to keep the two affected birds away from the others. Do they have overgrown crests, if so I would trim them so that the feathers don't get mucky and irritate the eyes further. This link helps to explain some of the symptoms you should be looking out for.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

I did read about that smell and she has a slight one which was unusual but I've seen it described as putrid and smelling like death, and hers really isn't like that, it's really not that bad, just a different smell more than gross, so I don't know?? No rattling when she breaths and no bubbles. None of them have overgrown crests, I trim their little pom poms so they can see

she seemed to look a lot better after being given the pain relief though. It was really the lack of swelling in her and the fact that no others besides the two have it after almost a week that made me question if it was coryza. I'm going to start with the salt water tomorrow and I've separated the ill ones. Are some of the symptoms of coryza the same as other problems? Or can they have coryza without the swelling and lack of spread amongst the flock? Sorry for all of the questions I've read the symptoms and just can't decide if I think it fits coryza enough and I've read only bad things once they get it

I'm pretty attached to my little silkies so hopefully culling isn't what it will have to come to.

 

[Fancychooklady]

I did read about that smell and she has a slight one which was unusual but I've seen it described as putrid and smelling like death, and hers really isn't like that, it's really not that bad, just a different smell more than gross, so I don't know?? No rattling when she breaths and no bubbles. None of them have overgrown crests, I trim their little pom poms so they can see

she seemed to look a lot better after being given the pain relief though. It was really the lack of swelling in her and the fact that no others besides the two have it after almost a week that made me question if it was coryza. I'm going to start with the salt water tomorrow and I've separated the ill ones. Are some of the symptoms of coryza the same as other problems? Or can they have coryza without the swelling and lack of spread amongst the flock? Sorry for all of the questions I've read the symptoms and just can't decide if I think it fits coryza enough and I've read only bad things once they get it

I'm pretty attached to my little silkies so hopefully culling isn't what it will have to come to.

Upper respiratory symptoms can be triggered by a number of different things. Dust , mould excessive ammonia rising from their droppings when they are the perch at night. Hay can harbor mould , other forms of bedding such as sawdust are too dusty and can cause irratation to the eyes. Antibiotics will treat the symptoms but coryza and MG will more than likely reoccur. Culling is a personal choice and if you only have a few birds and don't have the stomach for it, then if would strongly recommend that you have ' a closed flock ' no birds in , no birds out.
For now I would follow the vets instructions , keep the sick birds quarantined and always tend to the healthy first so as not to contaminate the others. Wash your hands and if you can wear an apron when handling the sick, Have you recently added any birds to your flock?

 

[AliceGee]

Last night I put some of the antibiotic ointment that the vet have me on the eye of the one where the swollen/shut eye was her only symptom, this morning, its completely back to normal. The one with the other symptoms is still sort of the same a bit more lively but this other one is completely back to normal??

 

[AliceGee]

Upper respiratory symptoms can be triggered by a number of different things. Dust , mould excessive ammonia rising from their droppings when they are the perch at night. Hay can harbor mould , other forms of bedding such as sawdust are too dusty and can cause irratation to the eyes. Antibiotics will treat the symptoms but coryza and MG will more than likely reoccur. Culling is a personal choice and if you only have a few birds and don't have the stomach for it, then if would strongly recommend that you have ' a closed flock ' no birds in , no birds out.
For now I would follow the vets instructions , keep the sick birds quarantined and always tend to the healthy first so as not to contaminate the others. Wash your hands and if you can wear an apron when handling the sick, Have you recently added any birds to your flock?

Thanks very much for your help

I'll just have to see how they go. And no new birds have been added so I don't know where, whatever it is, has come from.

 

[Fancychooklady]

Oh good, keep applying the cream for 4-5 days . I find that Terramycin spray or ointment is something to keep at the front of the first aid box.

 

[AliceGee]

I had terramycin spray and used it at the start of the problem but it didn't seem to do anything unfortunately . I used the antibiotics & eye ointment provided by the vet and had her in her own hospital area away from the others for over a week and she had basically fully recovered. When she was sick she got to the point where her eyes were so weepy & swollen she couldn't eat or drink for a few days unless i held the water dish up to her beak. But like i said she got looked & acted completely better but by the end of the antibiotics her eyes became weepy & swollen again even though i was still using the ointment & she began gasping again, stopped eating & drinking etc like last time so i came to the decision to have her put down. I figured i'd given her a good chance and really done all that we could do & it wasn't fair for her to be in discomfort & there's no way i could ever 'put down' one of my own chooks! We still don't know what it was but luckily none of the others were effected even though she was with them at the very start of the symptoms.

 

[Fancychooklady]

I had terramycin spray and used it at the start of the problem but it didn't seem to do anything unfortunately . I used the antibiotics & eye ointment provided by the vet and had her in her own hospital area away from the others for over a week and she had basically fully recovered. When she was sick she got to the point where her eyes were so weepy & swollen she couldn't eat or drink for a few days unless i held the water dish up to her beak. But like i said she got looked & acted completely better but by the end of the antibiotics her eyes became weepy & swollen again even though i was still using the ointment & she began gasping again, stopped eating & drinking etc like last time so i came to the decision to have her put down. I figured i'd given her a good chance and really done all that we could do & it wasn't fair for her to be in discomfort & there's no way  i could ever 'put down' one of my own chooks! We still don't know what it was but luckily none of the others were effected even though she was with them at the very start of the symptoms.

Oh that is sad. You did what you could . Let's just hope that it wasn't anything contagious . Be quick to quarantine anyone if you see signs. Bleach and disinfect any holding cage that was used for her. Good luck .