Is this egg fertile from my 5 ISA browns without a rooster??

[NatJ]

The thing that winds me up is I was gonna go to the area next to my area over weekend to get a free white or light dekalb rooster but car broke so I cud av potentially made a amberlink or ISA brown type chicken if I am reading correct but missed out on him coz my stupid car.. I shuda just got a cab..

Yes, you probably could have produced chicks similar to Amberlinks, if you had gotten him.

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

For ISA Browns and the many other red sexlinks, it really works out to:
--a company develops one line of red chickens
--a company develops one line of white chickens

Crossing a red rooster with a white hen gives the color-sexable chicks to sell.

Beyond that, it's all details. For example, the "red" chickens may have originally come from Rhode Island Reds or New Hampshires, or they may have large amounts of Leghorn to improve the laying ability, or quite a few other possibilities, with all those things being many generations back. The red chickens may actually be two lines that are crossed to produce the roosters used to breed ISA Browns. Similarly the white ones may come from various original parent breeds, and there may be two lines of white that are crossed to produce the mothers of the ISA Browns.

Some of the big breeding companies have many different lines of parent stock, each of which is treated like a pure breed, but then the company can cross the lines in different combinations to get different hybrids.
For example:
https://www.dominant-cz.cz/en/
If you look under "products," you can go to a page of brown egg layers, or white egg layers, or whatever. They list many different kinds, and for each one they show the male & female parents, the young chicks, and the male/female adult colors of the chicks.


The main points I see:
--ISA Browns have red father/white mother, which gives red daughters/white sons.
--Amberlinks have white father/red mother, which gives white chicks of both sexes.
--Both of them are very good layers, just like their parents and grandparents.

Other than that, the thread goes into lots of detail about the exact genes involved. I would guess it's college-level stuff, although I don't know for sure.

That's exactly what I made of it too mate thank you so I guess I'm lookin for another DeKalb to pop up then.. maybe use a white leghorn or a light Sussex in the cross and produce amberlinks or something similar hopefully that retains the isa browns egg laying abilitys which would you say are better egg layers out of those 3 white breeds plz mate? I think I read the dekalbs are the best egg producers out of all those 3 white breeds of I read right.. Il pick what ever U know is best egg producers out of those if I can find a rooster of that breed and try them with that as I already have 5 ISA browns hens so guess if I work with what I got already then that's what I need to be aiming for is amberlinks.. there only for myself anyways just wanted to make more chics as good as egg layers as my isa brown hybrids I already got

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

Yes, you probably could have produced chicks similar to Amberlinks, if you had gotten him.

And yes that's exactly what I thought when did a bit of digging I'm gutted I never pounced on that DeKalb rooster being giving away practically on my doorstep next area over..

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

Here it shows the correct males used for the ISA browns hybrid or the amberlink breeding pair if I am reading correct?

Then here is a few males that are kinda near to me like one or 2 hours drive away.. kinda look like the male used in either the ISA browns or amberlink cross.. debating if to try those...

And also this pair but there like 4 or 5 hours drive away.. tempted to go on a long ass road trip..clearly a ISA brown hen like my hens tho and what looks like the correct male in the ISA brown or amber link cross I'm getting rather confused reading that complicated thread on linage but starting to make sense of it bit by bit..

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

Ahhhhh.... Upon further research n screen searching iv appeared to have found out the breed of male used in the cross for both ISA browns and amberlinks if I'm correct or at least one of them and that is a male of golden comet see?!? Identical to the pics of the male used in ISA brown hybrids or amberlinks thread...

Yes, you probably could have produced chicks similar to Amberlinks, if you had gotten him.

 

[NatJ]

Ahhhhh.... Upon further research n screen searching iv appeared to have found out the breed of male used in the cross for both ISA browns and amberlinks if I'm correct or at least one of them and that is a male of golden comet see?!? Identical to the pics of the male used in ISA brown hybrids or amberlinks thread...

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If you want chicks that are really good layers, and you don't much care what color, then the males of any of them would be fine. If you want the qualities of the hybrids, I would probably go with one of the hybrid roosters rather than the Sussex you mentioned, because purebreds don't usually have quite such high egg production (because people raise them for other reasons too, such as showing or meat, while the hybrids are specialized just for the one purpose.)

If you use an actual ISA Brown male with ISA Brown females, about half of chicks will be red and the other half will be white. Both sexes will come in both colors. Using an Amberlink male will give the same results, half of chicks red and the other half white. In either case, I would expect about 1/4 of the chicks to show some black (like Rhode Island Red or Light Sussex) instead of the white you see in ISA Browns. That black vs. white has nothing to do with the sex or laying ability of the chicks.

Any of the males that are white with lots of red leakage would give about the same colors as the ISA Brown males.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ahhhhh.... Upon further research n screen searching iv appeared to have found out the breed of male used in the cross for both ISA browns and amberlinks if I'm correct or at least one of them and that is a male of golden comet see?!? Identical to the pics of the male used in ISA brown hybrids or amberlinks thread...

You cannot just go by feather color. The way I read your post you are looking just at feather color. If I read it wrong I apologize. Feather color has no effect on egg laying ability.

If I read your posts correctly you want pullets that will make great egg laying hens similar to the commercial hybrid egg layers. The pullets will inherit egg laying traits from both parents. Inheriting genes is random but if both parents are from the egg laying hybrids your odds of getting great egg laying pullets is tremendously high. They just don't have many bad egg laying genes to pass down. If the mother is an egg laying hybrid the odds are that the pullets will lay fairly well even with a rooster from a poor egg laying breed. Most hatchery quality roosters from "production" breeds (Rhode Island Reds, Rocks, Sussex, Wyandotte, Orpington, Leghorn, to name a few) should contribute some pretty good egg laying genetics. Just using a commercial hybrid egg layer hen with a decent rooster is a pretty good way to go. With the right rooster it is even better.

Golden Comets are red sex link chickens from roosters that are more buff in color than deep red. It's just a marketing name. Some Golden Comets are commercial egg laying hybrids but some are just crosses between standard breeds like a Buff Orpington or New Hampshire rooster with a Delaware, White Sussex, or White Rock hen.

A reason the commercial egg laying hybrids are often sex linked is so they can tell sex at hatch. They do not want to spend any money of feeding or housing the boys so they are destroyed at hatch. You may have trouble finding males.

One of the traits of the commercial egg laying hybrids is smaller body size. With their smaller bodies they do not need to use as much feed for body maintenance as the larger breeds so they can devote more food to making the eggs. That's more cost effective, especially if you have flocks of 5,000 hens. Commercial hybrids should be about the size of a leghorn, not a Rhode Island Red.

I don't know if you get anything useful out of this post or not. I wish you good luck!

 

[Susan Skylark]

Parthenogenesis, the word I can’t ever remember! What would one of those eggs look like preincubation? Not a study I want to do, as I believe it happens in 1/20000 turkey eggs.

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

You cannot just go by feather color. The way I read your post you are looking just at feather color. If I read it wrong I apologize. Feather color has no effect on egg laying ability.

If I read your posts correctly you want pullets that will make great egg laying hens similar to the commercial hybrid egg layers. The pullets will inherit egg laying traits from both parents. Inheriting genes is random but if both parents are from the egg laying hybrids your odds of getting great egg laying pullets is tremendously high. They just don't have many bad egg laying genes to pass down. If the mother is an egg laying hybrid the odds are that the pullets will lay fairly well even with a rooster from a poor egg laying breed. Most hatchery quality roosters from "production" breeds (Rhode Island Reds, Rocks, Sussex, Wyandotte, Orpington, Leghorn, to name a few) should contribute some pretty good egg laying genetics. Just using a commercial hybrid egg layer hen with a decent rooster is a pretty good way to go. With the right rooster it is even better.

Golden Comets are red sex link chickens from roosters that are more buff in color than deep red. It's just a marketing name. Some Golden Comets are commercial egg laying hybrids but some are just crosses between standard breeds like a Buff Orpington or New Hampshire rooster with a Delaware, White Sussex, or White Rock hen.

A reason the commercial egg laying hybrids are often sex linked is so they can tell sex at hatch. They do not want to spend any money of feeding or housing the boys so they are destroyed at hatch. You may have trouble finding males.

One of the traits of the commercial egg laying hybrids is smaller body size. With their smaller bodies they do not need to use as much feed for body maintenance as the larger breeds so they can devote more food to making the eggs. That's more cost effective, especially if you have flocks of 5,000 hens. Commercial hybrids should be about the size of a leghorn, not a Rhode Island Red.

I don't know if you get anything useful out of this post or not. I wish you good luck!

I know it's not just feather colour, golden comets roosters look identical to the one used for the egg layin ISA and amber's, after doing some research the golden comet roosters also give off sex linked chics to there offspring apparently, so maybe it os the correct male thsts been kept secret what they make isas and ambers with?? Also golden comets hens are known for also having brilliant egg layin ability similar to ISA browns so it's lookingore and more likely this os the breed of rooster used to me!? N seems like perfect rooster to make egg laying crosses with if not anyways if the hens in that breed are also just as good egg layers as isa browns.. and I think 3 of my new 4 month old hens recently got are godlem comets too after screen searching those as the guy I got em off didn't know what breed he just buys bulk chics off a big company thst breedd and uses only all the top brown egg layers commercial breeds that basically lay an egg a day thru there peak year n half.. amf the only other really light coloured super egg layers iv come across are the golden comets so must be them that come with my 2 other columbian black tails I also got that are same age too.. so cud even try backcrossing the roosyer to make more golden comet chics too.. thete getting bullied to hell by my 5 older 6 or 7 months old isa browns hybrids.. so took all ISA indoors tonight n gonna re introduce them to the new babys in the coop n run tmoro n see if thst sorts them all out, also Gona re apply some vetrx to all so it helps to all have something to help keep them calmer, if dont work il do it again after a week of keeping the olders indoors n then re introduce em to the coop n run with youngers in..

 

[Chicken_keeper88]

Parthenogenesis, the word I can’t ever remember! What would one of those eggs look like preincubation? Not a study I want to do, as I believe it happens in 1/20000 turkey eggs.

Yes iv come across this info/word for fertilised eggs without rooster which is why I thought why not just try and hatch them.. if it is a male only then sweet il cross that to my new breeds of egg layers off another source..