Isa brown died, looking for help diagnosing symptoms

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by T-Amy, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. T-Amy

    T-Amy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hello,
    Please let me know if you're able to help diagnose my bird who we just put down this AM. I'm new to having laying hens as of this summer so am still learning a lot.

    1) Isa Brown sexlink- I got her from someone else & I think they said she was born spring 2010. So, 20? mos old. got her along w/12 of her flock-mates from a friend who was moving. She appeared normal size compared to her 'siblings,' ?4#?

    2) Found her standing under coop 1 night at roosting time after not coming into the roost. It had rained that day & I don't know how long she'd been under the coop. I put her in the coop on a bed of hay that night. The next night set up 100watt 'heat' lamp ~8-12" above her & she didn't move much at all for the next several days. She didn't seem to want to stand anymore & tried to use her feathers to balance her but they also appeared weak. She would eat treats & some of her normal pellets when I would put them near her but she was clearly losing weight & only in a matter of. She had green poop but I didn't look real close to see if there were worms in it. She had a urine-type odor to her. I did not feel an egg when I palpated her belly.
    Had breathing difficulty- almost gurgling. Gave her tetracycline in H20 daily; had to give by syringe til I discovered she'd eat it on a piece of warm bread. Eyes would close when she was laying there & she was just very weak. Would sometimes sit there as if she was in the nesting box but today when I moved her she laid on her side & closed her eyes like she was going to die at any time.

    3) Symptoms lasted just a few days, a few of those she seemed the same- didn't seem to respond to antibiotics.

    4) Had another bird (same type of bird) die a couple of wks ago. No warning so unable to determine if symptoms are related.

    5) No obvious signs of trauma: did range of motion for her legs & they seemed OK. No bleeding or other trauma I could tell.

    6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
    Could she have gotten a chill from being in the rain? She wasn't wet but her feet were standing on the cold ground. Could have been there a couple of hours as I didn't notice it til I did the nightly roll-call. Could it be their feed? I seem to have 1 bird die every month or 2. I acquired all of my (max 24) birds from 4 different flocks & they all seem OK except for the occasional one that dies. Wondering if this is normal ratio.

    7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
    She seemed very hungry when I would hold food up to her, and that was the only time she'd eat. She would take only a few bites & ate yogurt, bread, normal scratch/pellets

    8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
    Green, runny, odd, not formed like it should be.

    9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
    heat lamp, Tetracycline once daily for 4 days. Yogurt with extra probiotics several hours after she had the antibiotic so they didn't cancel each other out.

    12) Describe the housing/bedding in use
    housing prior to use includes 2 roosting areas that she could choose which to sleep on (each area 8x4). 6 nesting boxes, 19 other layers. bedding is a mix of pine shavings & sawdust. Outside run 8x36' which includes 1/2 of that under the shed for running area. Free range 2-3x/week for 3-4 hours each time.

    Add'l info:
    I put organic ACV in their water (1T) most of the time & sometimes probiotics. All of my birds but a few have a nice fluffy vent area- the ones that aren't fluffy still lay regularly.
     
  2. marlene

    marlene Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can't really help you but hopefully bump you as i am interested in any replies you might get.
    I lost me 25 week old pullet yesterday in a similar situation to yours and i have no clue as to why. She was totally fine on thursday, friday she was limping slightly and just wanting to lay down puffed up and sleep, thats how she stayed til sunday, i found her dead at lunch time when i went out to give her some sugary water to try and see if she perked up as she had not been eating and drinking.
    I hope some one can chime in and give you some answers.
     
  3. T-Amy

    T-Amy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Sorry to hear that Marlene [​IMG]
     
  4. dawg53

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    There is no telling what you're dealing with in your birds. I recommend that you have a necropsy performed on a dead bird. You can contact your state agriculture department, county extension agent or even a vet to find out how to go about doing that. Green runny poop could indicate bile from the lack of eating or it could possibly indicate a bacterial infection. One thing that you might take into consideration is biosecurity. You stated that your birds came from 4 different flocks. There's always the possibility of introducing a sick bird from any one of those flocks, apparently no quarantine was in place. It's possible you could continue having birds getting sick and dying on you as time goes by. Also, gurgling is normally an indicator of a respiratory disease. It's also possible to have a bacterial infection in conjunction with a respiratory disease. Respiratory diseases can easily spread throughout a flock. Here's a link to respiratory diseases in poultry:
    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044
     
  5. leadwolf1

    leadwolf1 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Please read some of the threads on Marek's. Your problems sound awfully suspicious and very similar to mine. Sorry for all your losses, hope it is just one of those things. The best thing to do is get one of your dead birds to a state lab to be necropsied for diagnosis. That way, you would be sure what was happening.
     
  6. T-Amy

    T-Amy Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you!
    I did call the cooperative extension & they said there is no one around here that does those [​IMG]
     
  7. leadwolf1

    leadwolf1 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Try some universities...especially ones that might have vet degree programs. Hope you can find someone to help!
     

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