It's a bit crowded! (Eggshells)

47Shire

In the Brooder
5 Years
Feb 8, 2014
14
2
24
France
Hi all,
Our momma duck for the last 38 days has been sitting on a clutch of 15 eggs, and last night (day 37) I just popped in to check on her and another duck sitting another clutch of 18 eggs (14 being her own and 4 slipped in from another duck who started laying the other day - that is ok isn't it? I'm not slipping any more in as I think she has now stopped laying - no idea if she laid one this morning but as she's been inside all day she's had no male attention), and well anyways, checked on them last night 8pm, heard a pip as I walked in, paused for a second and heard another pip, looked in and there were 2 lil baby mucscovy's! Mucho excitedness!! :D
Checked again at midnight, I think there was 4. And by this morning we were counting 7, and I think I clocked 10 earlier this afternoon.
At that point there were of what we could see, 2 remaining eggs as momma duck tucked them in under herself. And obviously there are some obscured from of vision/muddled in with the balls of fur.

Last night I ran and changed food dish setup to a chick/duckling food and raised up another dish for momma to eat her food from, out of reach of the ducklings. Switched on the heat lamp to assist with warmth (tad chilly in there particularly at night) however this morning repositioned it nearer to the nest and noted the ducklings came out from under momma more towards the lamp. (I've read that care should be taken as if they huddle they are cold, and move away from the source then they are too hot, but they are to the front of the nest nearest the lamp - so if they were too hot they'd surely move to the back of the nest) please advise as necessary!

However our momma duck appears exhausted, unable to sit down with potentially 15 little bundles of joy under her and 30 pieces of shell. I'm wondering, should I remove the broken shells (momma has already chucked one broken shell out) to try and give her and her babies a little extra space in her approx 18"x12" nesting box? She is very protective so I will use, or attempt to use an extension grabbing arm thing to try and fish out the shells. I have seen her nibble at the shells but it just seems a bit crowded!

Btw, from what I've seen so far, all appear lively, chatty and most importantly, Healthy! There's atleast 4 yellow and 4 dark/black ones.
I also read somewhere that they should have light for 23/24hrs a day, to help develope their eyesight, however something else I'd like to know is, will it do any harm to leave the light on 24/24hrs? When to I reduce/stop this? And baring in mind developing eyes, the IR heat lamp won't harm their eyes will it?

And finally a quick side note: In the last few weeks before our second momma started laying, in the evening at lock in time, where it'd be dark, I'd go into the chicken house where the other ducks would be and carry out some err "training", touching them in the dark (stroking/petting back and neck), then gradually introducing light in short bursts so they could see me touching them and working up to touching them with the light on. I was a little unsure as to whether my idea was working, getting them used to me being very near and the feeling of human contact. I even managed to pick 4 out of 6 up.
And well, over the past 2 weeks where momma #2 is seperated at night, during the day I've made real effort to try and hand feed some treats, closest I've gotten is about 6" from her beak but then she signals to me to chuck it infront of her (I'll keep trying)
But now with momma #2 sitting, it's extremely clear that the "training" - more trust building really, has so far paid off. In that, I can get about a foot away from momma #2 in her nest before she gets all stressy, whereas momma #1 (regardless of the ducklings) would get stressy if you came anywhere within 4ft of her.

Sorry for the long message, I only intended on asking about the empty broken shells and ended up with a story.

Thanks
Dave (first hatch)
 
Welcome to the Duck Forum!!!

I am not a hatcher, don't have muscovies, but Miss Lydia and Going Quackers are two who come immediately to mind who have done both, I think.
 
My broody moms/ducklings have always disappeared their eggshells rather quickly. I wouldn't worry about them unless something is nasty. Momma ducks will usually do a really good job at keeping the nest tidy.
 
Amiga - ooo yes, my first post in the duck forum, woop! :) I get the impression Miss Lydia is one extremely experienced person on here. Have seen many useful and informative posts by her.

HDF - thank you, me and mum weren't sure, and it's hard to believe that only 36hrs ago they came out of an egg, they grow quick.
But we'll leave momma to sort it out. I just hope I get to handle one, never picked up a duckling/chick before. And I'm **** determined these ducklings grow up being used to me and not scared to hand feed.
 
And our count this morning was 13/15 happy chatty healthy fuzz balls, even got to handle a few. Throughout the day between them napping, momma would feed and drink, and the ducklings copied, having a few mouthfuls of food before scurrying over to the water dispenser and then scurrying back for more food. They are incredibly cute and funny.

The downside is, the remaining 2 eggs, 1 failed to break free from its shell and gave up, but being 99% sure it was dead, I carefully removed shell to check it, and it was fully formed, but where momma left the nest as the ducklings favour the heat lamp, I think that could have potentially compromised that egg, and the other egg is un hatched, but again where momma left the nest, it left the egg without the warmth, so we'll see by morning if it hatches or not. I did candle it and noticed a hole? just below the air pocket, but was only a quick look. We pulled it out from the nest to where momma is staying under the heatlamp in the hope it'll hatch - she is nudging it though, probably wondering why it hasn't hatched.

If the egg was infertile, over the incubation period, would the air pocket still move?
 
Hmmm. Not sure. So many things can go wrong during hatch, infertility is just one. Sometimes it seemed to me like the egg structure just was all wrong for some reason, I have no idea of the Science behind that. I would just give that final egg an extra day or two, but then after that you want to get it out bcz if it stinks...well we all know the stinks like a rotten egg saying. Just FYI, I have read that you should not allow a late hatcher to ever hatch her own, as that late hatching trait is not a trait that you want to pass on to subsequent generations. ... And yes indeed, our esteemed Miss Lydia certainly does know her stuff! :)
 
Oh my, I removed that remaining egg yesterday, and decided to carefully open it up, for educational reasons of course, to see if it formed or what. Turned out it was infertile and it had rotten. It's consistency was that of puss, or runny cream cheese (the squeezy tube sort), and smelt absolutely rank!

Then I went over to the pond and buried the little one who didn't make it. I'd like to think that it's spirit can be with its brothers and sisters when they get access to the pond :)

But the rest of them are doing well, but momma is teaching them to be scared of me, evil brat lol

In terms of numbers though, 15 eggs in the nest, 1 turned out infertile, and another didn't break free. Were we lucky with those figures??
I read a few times that only about half would be successful :S
 
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