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And big YAHs twice too!
Yes, Wisher is totally correct!!
The colour of the dog would be red and white hairs AND if Emmy could not express black in her hair coat, she would look like Lacy too.
Wisher nailed it and this is the whole point of the exercise now revealed! Me so happy that now we can move along to more things, lots more fun things to investigate and realize!
So I will do up the genetic recipe for Emmy in two of the dog canine colour series genetically speaking.
Emmy is Blue,Black&Tan so she must be at / at in the Agouti series.
AND because Emmy may express black hairs, she will hafta be an E/- in the Extension series.
EMMY is at / at and E/-
OK...now on to Lacy and for her, it is more difficult to know for sure but I am totally guessing, educated a bit because I had HyBlade and we DNA tested him in the E and the B series...
AGOUTI SERIES
Lacy's SIRE - DARK RED MOTTLED
So Lacy's sire is a dark red with mottling...I know her father had at least ONE dominant red in the Agouti series...but he also threw a blue daughter in Lacy's litter with a blue,black&tan female, so he would have had to contributed one at to make the Blue,Black&Tan daughter (at / at) happen. So Lacy's Dad is at / Ay and it is possible that Lacy has one Ay from her sire or another at from her sire. Hard to know because I simply do not have enough data to know want an Ay / at with e/e might look like. May one day but for now, I go with what I kinda know before I jump that far out thar.
Lacy's DAM - BLUE,BLACK&TAN SPECKLED
Lacy's dam is a speckled blue,black&tan so I suspect Lacy got one at from her mother who is a bottom recessive colour in the Agouti series as a Blue,Black&Tan female (at / at).
My conclusion which may or may not be correct is that Lacy is a Blue,Black&Tan in the Agouti series (at / at).
EXTENSION SERIES
Lacy's SIRE - DARK RED MOTTLED
So Lacy's sire is a dark red...I would therefor believe her father to be E/? because he expresses a black nose, black toenails, and dark gums...seeing photos of him at age of over 6 years he has retained his black pigment which means he is not likely a recessive red as in an e/e red like HyBlade was. I do however believe he is retaining or hiding a small e, so he is E/e.
Lacy's DAM - BLUE,BLACK&TAN SPECKLED
Lacy's dam is a Blue,Black&Tan that has a black nose, black toenails and dark gums. She has lots of black hairs in her hair coat. She too would be E/? in the extension series BUT I suspect because Lacy is a light red, that her mother is E/e like Lacy's sire. Lacy had to have gotten a little "e" from both her parents to end up being e/e. Recessive e can be completely hidden by the dominant allele form of E, eh!
This explains my guess that Lacy is an e/e red. Not a dominant red (as found in the Agouti series as Ay), but a recessive red as in e/e like HyBlade was DNA tested and proven to be.
Lacy genetically speaking in the Agouti and Extension series is at / at and e/e.
So when one looks at Emmy, that's an Agouti at / at with E/-. When one looks at Lacy, she is the same in the Agouti series as Emmy (at / at) is BUT she is a recessive red ACD in the Extension series by being e/e.
Sep 24 2015 - Emmy is (at / at) with E/- and Lacy is (at / at) with e/e
LOOK at both EMMY and LACY and see the HUGE difference that one set of pure homozygous recessive alleles make. Two little e's make a huge contrast in a dog's hair coat. This is why my canine colour genetics presentations were so good for people to learn about genetics...one set of pure recessive genes can equal quite the difference...the visual that these little e's make is very noticeable when you bring in two dogs with such contrasting hair coats!
This is Lacy on Sep 25 with Emmy hovering in the background. See DD, there will be more focus on Lacy today...bad bad bad eh?
Sep 25, 2015
I believe Lacy is a blue,black&tan ACD with e/e because you can SEE the tan or red pigments in the places where you see the tan colour so prevalent in Emmy's hair coat pattern.
Nice shot of Lacy's mouth...note the dark pigmented (but not black) gums she has. At the moment, her snoot (nose) is much darker than alot of skin she possesses...but still not BLACK, eh!
I shall take more photos of the girls side by each in further days to show their similarities and differences. Should be fun, an excuse more to click pics! Always in short demand, reason to snap pics of the puppers...
Emmy has black toenails...kinda boring when you look at the marvelous striped ones Lacy has right now
Lacy, front foot...like ruby slippers, those glowing toenails of hers!
Lacy has striped toenails like HyBlade did...and one toenail on one back foot that has no stripe.
Back left foot...not such striped toenails.
No real dark stripes on these tooties nails
Ah ha...and now I got you guys lookin' at dog toenails jest like moi...how far can I drag you down into my genetic gobbly gook world before someone realizes...
"Hey, she's making us look at dog feets! Some nerve, eh!"
As we have seen (heh heh heh...made you l00k), Emmy has black toenails and will expectedly keep the toenails all black...Lacy's toenails, if like HyBlade, will fade over time and lose the dark striping. HyBlade retained one striped toenail always.
HyBlade's nose faded to light in the winter and back to dark in the summer.
Sep 21 2015 - the end of summer time, heading into fall and Lacy has a DARK NOSE!!! (dark nose...Lacy has a dark nose...)
For those quick studies here, yes, summer time does darken the pigment in the dog's noses...so dark in summer and light in winter and as we head into winter here in Pear-A-Dice, I expect the regulars of this thread to notice the ongoing lightening of Lacy's nose over winter. Hey now, something for you guys to notice and expect...make note of, eh!
Now on to why I theorize that Lacy is a Blue,Black&Tan that cannot express black pigment in her hair coat...because she is an Emmy in her PJ's...I laugh at this analogy but soon too, you will see with my eyes (oh my eyes!)...
Lacy front view - headless dog
So on the Blue ACD...in their Standard fer the Breed, here is a rendition of where the tan points or markings shall be...ACD Standard:
So you got that, tan markings with a tan undercoat...because Lacy has so much white hair (keeping in mine where Emmy is black, Lacy is white haired because the double dose of e/e disallows the black pigment to be expressed resulting in white instead of the black--make Lacy a whiter dog).
See Lacy's diamond shaped tan points on her chesty chest?
Tan under her chinny chin chin...
Tan = Red...both are pigment shades of phaeomelanin
Here's that photo again and now lookit the tan markings on Lacy's legs...especially noticeable when she is slightly damp...
For me, the tan points, the diamonds in their chest was the first most noticeable area...that the colour of this tan had a shape I could recognize easily from the Blue,Black&Tans' colouring.
So all those years ago when I was showing HyBlade with Makins and newbies would come up and ask what breed and what colour my dogs were...I would say Makins is a "Blue, Black & Tan Australian Cattle Dog" and for HyBlade, people would look at him and say, "Is he a TAN ACD?" Quite interesting because from the mouths of the newbies, I saw the reality and it sunk in...enough when I had him DNA colour tested...his e/e disallowed the black fully expressed AND basically, he was a Tan and White ACD...remove the black from the Blue,Black&Tan equation and you are left with white and tan hairs...the tan hairs are dark enough to mimic a light red dog. Kewl eh!
Now keep in mind, I never had this benefit of prewarning that an expected e/e will have fading pigment...so you guys that are on this thread are getting a heads up warning to watch and enjoy the show...the pigment goes from dark to light over time, the nose from dark to light as the seasons change...what fun, eh! Me, I had to wrack my brain to go thru photos (back then more likely photographs than the digitals so much) and back track to see the changes revealed. This warning I am giving you now is to set the scene so y'all can see the show, starting at the beginning and as it unfolds. TRES FUN TIMES!
Ever wonder what makes a Golden Lab the yellow colour in their hair coat...they are also pure for e as in e/e. A Chocolate Lab is merely b/b in the chocolate series and the Black lab is B/B and E/E so not yellow and not chocolate either...but simply the base colour of being black. A Yellow Lab, a Chocolate Lab, and a Black Lab are all based on a black hair dog that either cannot express black pigment and is yellow (e/e to be a Yellow Lab) or is a Chocolate Lab because it is pure for chocolate in the b series (b/b).
Now, tis the weekend and lots scheduled fer the day...so better hoof it on out. There will be lots of time and lots of photos to go over and pick to pieces as things progress along. Fun, eh...all about enjoying life to the absolute fullest and because of this thread here, I also get to enjoy sharing the experience with others too. Fun time with me friends sharing paradise.
Doggone & Chicken UP!
Tara Lee Higgins
Higgins Rat Ranch Conservation Farm, Alberta, Canada
