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Tara I love watching your play by play with your dogs.... Give me insigt i never had
Glad to assist!

Sometimes I ponder if I post more photos than required but nice to know they are helping...good to know the feedback. Thank you...

I had no idea they knew my name -
Course the girls know your handle AND yer real name DD...hee hee... who else would I "blame" making them pose nice/nice fur all those photos that show up here...heh heh

Posted this in case someone here may help out...![]()
http://www.backyardherds.com/threads/dental-surgery-on-ovines.33793/
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Tara
Talked to my best EVER vet on Saturday...I got the two for one special...first news about the dogs and then on to Dorper ewe Spice...
First bitta news...I can show the dogs...YES, you read that correctly...with my vet's FULL blessing the dog showing will go on and I am once again gonna show them two girls again in November...begin conformation practicing in September because I am tres busy but yah...can show dogs again...can you feel my joy and great happiness in this!

How, why, what the???
I told vet the dog's got kennel cough from the April show (he was busy, I was busy, we never talked I left a message for him about it) and gave it to old dog Foamy in April...well I guess this is not deemed kennel cough...not one of the "bordetella" kinda issues. It is a viral thing, it is as mild as the girls did have here...no vaccine, my vet could not have prevented this from happening but the greatest news is that I can show the girls without them bringing home that pneumonia type kennel cough that was making the rounds at the Red Deer show last November...I can show the girl dogs...Emmest and Lace-a-lot return to the ring again in November...yee haw and slop the chookers...I am elated...
Way way too kewl...I purchased some shade cloth and privacy netting half price this weekend and will sew up some fitted crate covers for the girls...need to get some wheeled up contraption like we had planned for wheeling the girls into the show with all their show stuff...so it is on again! EVER so JOYOUs...


So now for the real reason for conversation with vet...about Spicey's lump pa dump on her jaw.
Worst case scenario...it is what is called lumpy jaw (Actinomycosis) caused by consumption of COARSE FEED (not got that here)...
This could well be a pre-existing condition Spice has caused often by harsh foods puncturing the mouth...nasty grasses like foxtail will make the problem occur...poke the skin in the mouth, cause the mouth to react because stuff present IN THE MOUTH already then enter the tissues inside...and basically in easy to fathom understanding...the sheep's mouth gets all ugly as it battles the very bacteria already present in the mouth---the problem is caused by the foods they are eating. So, worst case my vet says is if that is what it is (and he did not say it was this, only the worst diagnosis would be that it IS this...) he has done this with cattle (works heavily with dairy cattle)...you bring sheep in, they get an IV with iodine and salt mixture once and then bring her back for second treatment. He told me if she was preggers (she is NOT), she could abor the fetus during this treatment (funny as the info I found says this procedure is safe in cows but well yeh, sheep could be WAY different but kinda irrelevant as is does not apply to Spice right now).
What my vet thinks this lump is and hopes it is, is an old injure that Spice is continuing to recover from...he mentioned how lambs can get kicked or hit in the face, and this abscess then forms and over time, they heal up. His major question to me was "Is she eating and is she otherwise healthy?" YUPPERS...she is all those things...not as substantial as a sheep I have here the same age, but quite frankly, this is NOT a life or death or wretched existence kinda situation. I am to watch it for any changes...changes of it getting BIGGER would be a sign we need to pursue this further. My vet has told me that if nothing alters, we leave well enough alone.
This is NOT Caseous as some might think...I vac for that and these sheep were vacced too...so not Caseous...thankfully. Vet concurred with me in that it is not a lump in the right place to be Caseous... some have told me I need to have the sheep tested and that is not valid...see bolded area below...
http://waddl.vetmed.wsu.edu/animal-disease-faq/caseous-lymphadenitis:
:Second bolded area is what my vet talked to me briefly over the phone about doing...if'n the worst case scenario happens...fingees and toesees crossed that Spice does not have to endure these treatments...![]()
So sheeps have had to adapt to their forage...this study is kinda neato in that wild and domestics were studied...
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._wild_sheep_and_its_evolutionary_implications:
Spicey in the door way on the left...same old, same old...
Love how the hair sheep are shedding out their winter clothes for summer time ones...kewl! Cooler...hee hee...
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Originally Posted by drumstick diva
Could they do just local with novacaine or equivalent.? Of course I am not a sheep, at last look anyhow but, I've had abcessed teeth pulled with just novacaine. I guess the main problem is getting her to stand still. Put her in a squeeze pen???
My mother had an abcessed tooth that drained through a hole that developed in her cheek. We were all scared too death it was cancer so happy to just have the tooth pulled.
If I could afford it, I would have the surgery for the sheep. I didn't know it would be an inherited problem. I would think it could just as well be damaged maybe cracked biting something that shouldn't be bitten.
So you restrain the sheep in a squeeze pen...how you getting her to hold still with the mouth parts...???![]()
Like the eyeballs in the ram lamb...the area inspected and about to be or not to be operated on has to hold still. How you getting the sheep to hold her mouth still without sedating her??
Humans may easily and I mean easily lose a portion of their finger casually poking round a ruminant's mouth...not so much the bottom teeth and dental pad but the incisors...whoo eee...yeh!
No thanks...I may need my own fingees and I definately need my vet to keep all his expertise digits.
One can use a gag on a sheep to inspect their mouths...I don't have one of these...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pig-Sheep-A...erinary-Instruments-Hog-J181-lx-/171733393636
Lists one for like fifteen bucks...I suppose I could buy one like I have a rubber bootlette for sheep or goat feet...which has never been used but is there jest in case. I already got more meds and equipment for sheep/lambs than most vets do....hee hee...think I will pass on this for now...
Boils down to this...do you sedate a ruminant because it is a life/death situation or a life of misery existence. Sedation KILLS ruminants and I know you too GET THAT part.
The ram lamb with severe notches in his eye lids...every blink would not have worked to clear his eye. Farm beasts live in dusty conditions...especially in winter when we feed hay and bed with straw. SO...I kept the ram lamb intact (full males handle operations better), had the operation where he was sedated (how do you stop an eye blinking...you hafta sedate...how do you stop a sheep CHOMPING...sedate them) and then wethered him...he continues to live a happy joyous life here giving us a cloud soft (no testosterone no mores to harsh up his fiber) fleece each year. He still acts like a male, first in line to check stuff out and first to call the alarm...he has kept his protective mode going which is nice (but not the savage breeder type behaviours like ramming me or the other sheeps...he's a tamer version of the rams).
So I hauled out my restraint devices...decided to use the head and front leg restrainer to have a closer inspection of Spice's cheeky lump. She hated me ever so much after that ordeal but I hadta feel her lump without her moving her head away...she had to be contained so I could tell my vet past the photos I emailed to him.
https://www.premier1supplies.com/p/gambrel-restrainers?cat_id=4
Love, love and adore having this restraint item...no, don't have any financial investment in past if you end up owning goats or sheeps...this is one KEWL item to have...jest in case, eh!![]()
Under the 2x4 bracing we put in the ram barn...they still managed to bust out the sheet material...a kinda blessing in disguise as I will be installing two levels of 2x6 for my portable head gate to be installed upon. Then I can use it like I use it in the bigger Ewe Barn (Sheep Dip Inn) which is delish being so close at hand...I gotta get these 2x6's installed.
During my studies about Spice's lump...I dove into my Vet Sheep book...thick like a phone book and if'n you only ever were exposed to owning sheeps with this book...you would figure they are an awful sick lot...for all the things that can affect them...hee hee...
Ran across these in my sheep vet ...costly though!![]()
Kinda reminds me of this trend...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grill_(jewelry):
In hip hop culture, a grill (most commonly spelled as grillz also fronts or golds) is a type of jewelry worn over the teeth.
I laughed and laughed when some of the super stars got gems in their mouths...in their teeth...wasn't it Mick Jagger that got an emerald but later changed it to a diamond because people kept saying he has spinach stuck in his teeth. Or was it a ruby and blood...I forget but makes me grin.
Herb garden planted...
Crispy ice on the water this morning...
Horrific hail storm
Yeh winter is not quite done with us yet...eek
Started transplanting tomatoes I grew from seed.
But in NO real rush to get them to the greenhouse...
Hurry, hurry so like WHY...so they can get frozen and DIE???
Got the bigger pots ready...another 28 more which fills up one bench in the greenhouse...
Hurry up and now I wait...till it stops being below freezing...good gack...not this week, not forecast for above freezing till like Friday...oh well...whatever...
Pear-A-Dice still looks pretty...
Lotsa summerish meals though...
And with all the WOmanly labours this time of year brings on...yeh, eat, work and be very merry...![]()
Coffee break is over and done did...away, away...
Doggone & Chicken UP!
Tara Lee Higgins
Higgins Rat Ranch Conservation Farm, Alberta, Canada