Jungle Fowl Thread!!!!!!!!!!!

[childressj]

NTsees,
You obviously know the differences. My point was that from a photograph, they can be difficult to distinguish. I thought the thread originator who admires the RJF appearance and who lives in Alaska might be well advised to consider a hearty game fowl family with the "wild type" appearance characteristics as an alternative to the RJF.

I am still looking for a e+/e+ family of game fowl myself. I know someone nearby who raises beautiful straight comb, blue/green legged gold cocks ("lemon hackle" as the cockers call them) but from wheaten hens exclusively. Many gold hackle BBR duckwing can be found as mixed phenotype that will not breed true. Few cockers seem to breed a family true any longer, preferring to simply breed from winning battle cocks and the female relatives of other unrelated winning battle cocks often of different phenotype. There is of course no more effective way to get more mixed blood lines than using this breeding method. I think it would be interesting to have them breed true and I do not have the time to see how long it would take to get true breeding e+/e+ fowl from such a beginning. The experts do not seem to be willing to even guess how many generations it might take to breed out the wheaten gene which often behaves dominant over e+. Being devoid of most of the obvious appearance mutations, I think of the game e+/e+ as somewhat representative of the original domesticated chicken.

Thank you for your note. I hope you did not take very much offense at my response to your initial note.

 

[Ntsees]

I think I remember someone here on BYC has game cocks. He appears to be interested in their flight ability and predator avoidance, but I do not know if he has true breeding specimens. Even if not, he might be able to lead to you people that do. His BYC name is Centrarchid. And no, I didn't take offense from your response.

 

[oswald808]

here's a pic of my jungle fowl roo...i found him as a chick and hand raised him

he's gonna be 2 years old in july

 

[chicken farmer]

here's a pic of my jungle fowl roo...i found him as a chick and hand raised him

he's gonna be 2 years old in july

That doesnt look like a red jungle fowl to me?

 

[oswald808]

my jungle fowl hen guarding her eggs...

 

[oswald808]

idk what he is, i didn't say he was a RJF... i found him in the wild as a chick and hand raised him but i do know he's jungle fowl considering Hawaii is full of them, i've never seen a wild fowl here with his coloration

 

[chicken farmer]

idk what he is, i didn't say he was a RJF... i found him in the wild as a chick and hand raised him but i do know he's jungle fowl considering Hawaii is full of them, i've never seen a wild fowl here with his coloration

oh my mistake

 

[Ntsees]

(video doesn't work) There are no pure JF of any species in Hawaii, but just feral chickens.

 

[Jungleexplorer]

NTsees,
You obviously know the differences. My point was that from a photograph, they can be difficult to distinguish. I thought the thread originator who admires the RJF appearance and who lives in Alaska might be well advised to consider a hearty game fowl family with the "wild type" appearance characteristics as an alternative to the RJF.

I am still looking for a e+/e+ family of game fowl myself. I know someone nearby who raises beautiful straight comb, blue/green legged gold cocks ("lemon hackle" as the cockers call them) but from wheaten hens exclusively. Many gold hackle BBR duckwing can be found as mixed phenotype that will not breed true. Few cockers seem to breed a family true any longer, preferring to simply breed from winning battle cocks and the female relatives of other unrelated winning battle cocks often of different phenotype. There is of course no more effective way to get more mixed blood lines than using this breeding method. I think it would be interesting to have them breed true and I do not have the time to see how long it would take to get true breeding e+/e+ fowl from such a beginning. The experts do not seem to be willing to even guess how many generations it might take to breed out the wheaten gene which often behaves dominant over e+. Being devoid of most of the obvious appearance mutations, I think of the game e+/e+ as somewhat representative of the original domesticated chicken.

Thank you for your note. I hope you did not take very much offense at my response to your initial note.

I have a BBRed AG rooster with lemon hackles that I am breeding only with wild type hens. This is my first year doing this and I will see what it produces.







I got into AGs because of the their free ranging and predator ranging abilities. They can certainly fly much better then regular chickens. I have seen some of my hens fly more then 100 yards and still have to put on the breaks to land. I also noticed that most Game breeders do not select birds to breed by type, but by gameness. I am breeding by type and hope to have bird that will breed true in a few generations. We will see.

I am now wondering though, if Red Jungle Fowl would have not been better for my purpose. Cackle Hatchery offers them and says their breed stock came from the birds at the San Diego zoo. But they also claim that their birds lay from 250 to 300 eggs a year. That does not seem right for a wild birds. My AGs don't do half that.

Does anyone have some RJFs from Cackle? Can you post some pictures of them and talk about their qualities? Especially, their flight ability, meat quality and egg laying capabilities. Thanks.

 

[childressj]

I had seen the Cackle Hatchery remark about RJF egg production. That of course is for egg production breeds. Game fowl egg production is on the order of 120 eggs/year which is FAR, FAR greater than RJF which lay on a seasonal cycle. Even the RJF cocks are in mating color and disposition only during the breeding season. In the off season the males are in "eclipse" feathering.

Jungle explorer that is a nice pair you have there. I suspect you will get some green legs (maybe even some blue) from the pair from which you can breed to that characteristic if you like. My object in keeping the "wild type" is simply to have no very noticeable appearance mutations. It could then be said of such fowl, "this is about what the original domestic chicken looked like."

I have thought of obtaining RJF but the absolutely pure ones are hard to find, are afraid of people and more prone to diseases probably as a result of inbreeding which RJF breeders curiously seem to think is completely without risk. This may be understandable when you are avoiding hybrid blood at all cost and have little if any highly reliable outside RJF blood available.