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Who here raises jungle fowl, and what colors? Does anyone have pics of their birds to post here? How much do eggs typically cost? Is the incubation different from a chicken?
Jungle Fowl
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Yes, I raise junglefowl. Leghorns. Just joking.
I don't raise junglefowl.
Junglefowl incubation is the same as chickens (since all junglefowl and chickens are the same species), 21 days.
As for the wild races (Indian Red; Ceylon; Grey; and Green), I have no idea of prices.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Banny
I don't raise junglefowl.
Junglefowl incubation is the same as chickens (since all junglefowl and chickens are the same species), 21 days.
As for the wild races (Indian Red; Ceylon; Grey; and Green), I have no idea of prices.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Banny
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Actually there are 4 species of jungle fowl and chickens are either red jungle fowl or possibly reds with a very small percentage of grey in them. The 4 species are:
Gallus gallus, the red jungle fowl (and all domestic chickens)
Gallus sonneratti, the grey jungle fowl
Gallus varius, the green jungle fowl
Gallus lafayeti, the Sri Lanka jungle fowl
I have greys and greens but I have not been successful at breeding the greens yet. There may be several reasons, first it gets cold where I live and green jungle fowl are very intolerant of cold temps (I heat their pen all winter long), there is a lot of activity around the pens and they are very shy birds, also they are just over 2 years old, green jungle fowl need more time to mature then the other species.
The grey jungle fowl I have are great quality, I have 3 pairs, one from a fantastic breeder and have pedigree back to wild imported birds and the other 2 are F1's (all 4 parent birds were wild caught). I got my first eggs of the season two days ago, I know this is way early, but because of the green jungle fowl needing heat the pen with the greys stays warm as well and I think I am confusing them with the warm December we are having and the extra heat. Normally I sell the eggs for $60 each, last year I had way more requests then eggs and a good hatch rate. It is the first time I have ever had 100% hatch on the eggs I kept, I always check fertility and hatch some birds for future breeders and to sell. I kept 8 eggs from the grey jungle fowl hoping to get 5 or 6 to hatch, not only did all of them hatch but it ended up being 4 roosters and 4 hens. My perfect season!
Gallus gallus, the red jungle fowl (and all domestic chickens)
Gallus sonneratti, the grey jungle fowl
Gallus varius, the green jungle fowl
Gallus lafayeti, the Sri Lanka jungle fowl
I have greys and greens but I have not been successful at breeding the greens yet. There may be several reasons, first it gets cold where I live and green jungle fowl are very intolerant of cold temps (I heat their pen all winter long), there is a lot of activity around the pens and they are very shy birds, also they are just over 2 years old, green jungle fowl need more time to mature then the other species.
The grey jungle fowl I have are great quality, I have 3 pairs, one from a fantastic breeder and have pedigree back to wild imported birds and the other 2 are F1's (all 4 parent birds were wild caught). I got my first eggs of the season two days ago, I know this is way early, but because of the green jungle fowl needing heat the pen with the greys stays warm as well and I think I am confusing them with the warm December we are having and the extra heat. Normally I sell the eggs for $60 each, last year I had way more requests then eggs and a good hatch rate. It is the first time I have ever had 100% hatch on the eggs I kept, I always check fertility and hatch some birds for future breeders and to sell. I kept 8 eggs from the grey jungle fowl hoping to get 5 or 6 to hatch, not only did all of them hatch but it ended up being 4 roosters and 4 hens. My perfect season!
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True enough, but what actually defines a species? (retorical)
All of these species are very known to produce fertile hybrids and F2s and so on, so may very well be subspecies. Breeds.
True enough, but what actually defines a species? (retorical)
All of these species are very known to produce fertile hybrids and F2s and so on, so may very well be subspecies. Breeds.
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That is only partially true, while they do produce hybrids, if you breed hybrid to hybrid the fertility and survival of the chicks drops dramatically from F1 to F2 and even more so into F3's to the point where they can not sustain a hybrid population. the only way to keep them going is to breed pure parents back to hybrids which raises the chances of egg/chick viability. Reference for these statistics are from various authors compiled by P. A. Johnsgard, author of The Pheasants of the World. In the wild there are areas where the ranges of grey/red jungle fowl and green/red jungle fowl (the island of Java) overlap and in those areas hybrids are rare, adding support to the separate species vs subspecies.
This is the reason grey jungle fowl are considered either vulnerable or endangered (depending on the source and sometimes only certain populations) because the native people just let the chickens and roosters free range. Studies have shown that hybrid grey jungle fowl are more successful at mating then purebred jungle fowl because they are indiscriminate, they will breed with a domestic chicken, hybrid hen, or a pure grey jungle fowl hen which not only dilutes the genes of the pure birds, but also less successful at producing offspring. Add to this the fact that a pure grey rooster will select only pure or mostly pure hens if given the choice, in areas where people and grey jungle fowl are found together you get a population that isn't pure and thus no longer considered viable.
This sometimes happens in horses and donkeys, no one believes they are the same species but they rarely produce fertile young (most people don't know this), and if you breed a fertile mule back to a pure horse or donkey the offspring is fertile as well. The fact that they can produce a fertile offspring doesn't change the idea of them being separate species.
That is only partially true, while they do produce hybrids, if you breed hybrid to hybrid the fertility and survival of the chicks drops dramatically from F1 to F2 and even more so into F3's to the point where they can not sustain a hybrid population. the only way to keep them going is to breed pure parents back to hybrids which raises the chances of egg/chick viability. Reference for these statistics are from various authors compiled by P. A. Johnsgard, author of The Pheasants of the World. In the wild there are areas where the ranges of grey/red jungle fowl and green/red jungle fowl (the island of Java) overlap and in those areas hybrids are rare, adding support to the separate species vs subspecies.
This is the reason grey jungle fowl are considered either vulnerable or endangered (depending on the source and sometimes only certain populations) because the native people just let the chickens and roosters free range. Studies have shown that hybrid grey jungle fowl are more successful at mating then purebred jungle fowl because they are indiscriminate, they will breed with a domestic chicken, hybrid hen, or a pure grey jungle fowl hen which not only dilutes the genes of the pure birds, but also less successful at producing offspring. Add to this the fact that a pure grey rooster will select only pure or mostly pure hens if given the choice, in areas where people and grey jungle fowl are found together you get a population that isn't pure and thus no longer considered viable.
This sometimes happens in horses and donkeys, no one believes they are the same species but they rarely produce fertile young (most people don't know this), and if you breed a fertile mule back to a pure horse or donkey the offspring is fertile as well. The fact that they can produce a fertile offspring doesn't change the idea of them being separate species.
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Jungle fowls are nice. The one that cought my attention is the green jungle fowl. What is your price depending on the age of your birds? I live in Los angeles CA. If you can make me a good deal I wouldn't mind driving up north for about 7 hours to to personally pick them up. Thanx.
I own 4 gallus gallus(1 roo, 3 hens). My wife and I fell in love with these lil guys on our last trip to Kauai Hawaii. These lil birds have the run of the island. You leave the airport terminal and first thing you notice is these beautiful chickens(erm... fowl) running amuck! The males are so beautiful, and the females although"plain" looking are beautiful in their own right. Here are some 3 week old pics of my jungle fowl in their garage habitat lol.
Here is a young Bob giving me the glare for using the flash option.
Here is Michelle deciding to fly the coop so to speak to stare at my fish while I reorganized the garage.
Bob up close and personal with dad
Bob, Michelle, and Haley inspecting the new coop
Here is a young Bob giving me the glare for using the flash option.
Here is Michelle deciding to fly the coop so to speak to stare at my fish while I reorganized the garage.
Bob up close and personal with dad
Bob, Michelle, and Haley inspecting the new coop
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This thread reminds me of the movie "Princess Bride" where the main character tells the short bald headed guy that he doesnt think the word "inconceivable" means what he thinks it means. In this case the word is "Junglefowl" and only philter4 seems to have a clue...
I am curious as to who or what this comment was directed towards. Of course I dont know the context, but it seems to me (as well as my wife looking over my shoulder) your insinuating that perphaps I dont know what I am referring to when I say I own Gallus Gallus9red jungle fowl? Perphaps you could elaborate on your comment, tactfully preferably.
Correct me if I am misguided but all the reading I have done suggest that junglefowl(gallus gallus in particular) are thought to be chickens ancestors so to speak. That these are kinda where chickens originated from. If thats true then it blows my mind that so many chicken breeds and colorations have been developed.
Correct me if I am misguided but all the reading I have done suggest that junglefowl(gallus gallus in particular) are thought to be chickens ancestors so to speak. That these are kinda where chickens originated from. If thats true then it blows my mind that so many chicken breeds and colorations have been developed.
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I may not know much about much, but I do know this little guy is awesome!!!
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