Yeah, the bird instincts are definitely hard to work with. I've been trying to get mine more exercise too because if he's tired it's a little easier to work with him. But when they want to chase they will. But yeah, the e collar is great especially because, at least with mine, once they learn what it is and what the shock, vibrate, sound (if you get one that makes sound), etc. Means then you may not even need to use the actual shock. Though of course it depends on the dog. Mine's both smart and a sensitive dog for the most part so he learned that if he didn't want the shock, he better listen to the vibrate, so now we just use the vibrate. But yeah, coming from the universe is definitely a different effect. I think it helps them learn that they still can get in trouble for doing the wrong thing whether mom or dad is there or not. It was pretty funny seeing how surprised Gator looked the first time I did it over chicken chasing. How surprised he was that he got in trouble even though I wasn't there. And he just instantly shook his head, walked away, and rolled around like he was trying to get rid of the punishment or like it was a fly or some real itch
