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I will try to respond to more of you, this thread has been busy over the holiday! I will include some pictures below of our run now.

All options considered, we decided to go with topping the run with aviary netting. I couldn’t find any locally, but I was referred to an orchard and vineyard supply warehouse in the area. I ended up getting “extra heavy duty” netting, that has five eights inch openings. It is primarily used for keeping birds away from fruit. Although it says extra heavy duty, it’s very lightweight. But, throughout the course of installation, it snagged on several sharp surfaces and didn’t even fray. We folded it in half, attached it to the roof of the coop, and sort of pulled it over the run like a bedsheet. It overhangs the fence on all sides by a generous amount, and is secured well. I can’t imagine a bird being able to get through it, especially since there are two layers. Anything would get tangled before it got through. some thing that worried me about netting with larger openings, was potential risk for a chicken getting tangled in it. The nice thing about the five eights openings is that they are too small to fit a chicken head. And, since our fence posts are 10 feet high, the lowest area of netting right now is only about 8 feet. A chicken would have to fly up, flip upside down, and get her feet tangled in the netting to get stuck.

Although we do get a good amount of snow in this area, I am not too concerned. Their run is covered by a gigantic Douglas fir tree, and it protects the ground from heavy snowfall. For reference, we got 8 inches one day, and there was barely an inch on the ground in the run. If snow accumulation ever did start to become a problem however, it seems like it would be just as easy as knocking it loose with a broom handle and letting it fall through.

Since putting up the netting, we haven’t had any more problems. We do have plans to include a more permanent partial enclosure inside the run, directly off the side of the coop, but that will likely have to wait until spring.

The girls egg production has dropped off significantly, and the stress also caused one of our chickens to throw a late molt. Not ideal timing, as we are starting to get into the coldest part of the year! But, they seem to be recovering overall. Still a little gun shy, even nervous to approach me, but that is to be expected.

As you can see from the picture below, our property has quite a grade to it. I made them a little roost in the middle of the run when it was built, almost right in the middle. Since the base is a 6 x 6 post buried in the ground, we are going to drill a hole into it and anchor in a patio umbrella. This will help support the netting in the middle, as well as give the girls extra protection from sun and precipitation. The nice thing about the umbrella too, is that we will be able to crank it down if it’s windy, or to empty it of snow. I will add a picture here once we do that. Hoping to get that done next week(after payday).
 

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I got a few geese this year to help with predation, and honestly it hasn't helped much. I lost a ton of birds this year to predators: hawks, owls, foxes. At one point I got home later than expected - a little after dark - and found a fox in the run. It had already killed 5 chickens and 2 more later died of their injuries. To be fair, most of the chickens were huddled in a corner with the geese, and the fox may have been avoiding them and picking off the strays that were running around trying to escape. So it's possible that the geese slowed the fox down enough to keep her from killing all the chickens before I got there...

...But if the water issue is a major inconvenience, I'd say skip the geese. I have a rubber pool in the run for mine and I have to change out the water every single day, because they swim in it and turn it all muddy and knock half of it out. Not a big deal in the summer when I run a hose out there but this time of year I'm hauling buckets up the hill - no fun. I know some people say geese are great for protecting the flock, but I think the only really reliable animal deterrent is a dog, and that comes with its own set of liabilities.

Thank you for the information, I am sorry about your loss. We have a dog, a golden retriever, and I think part of the reason that we haven’t had problems with four-legged animals or even seen any sign of them around the run, is that our dog is constantly going up to the Coop with us, hangs out with the chickens while we work, and pees all over the place. Having a male dogs scent everywhere probably helps a lot. I also understand that not everybody can trust a dog to just be left with birds unrestrained... i’m not sure how we got so lucky to be honest. He is actually a bird hunting dog, so I am really impressed that he can tell the difference between birds that he supposed to hunt, and ours.
 
Just finished covering a run last weekend. The BIL used tension wire, deer fencing, and zip ties. About a million times easier than the netting crap, and way sturdier. It was fun cutting the holes around the trees then zip tying the fencing back to itself, but it turned out really great! A friend of mine also covers all her runs with deer fencing. Works really well.
 
Ugh, I have only seen owls decapitate Owl decoys aren't going to deter a hawk; these birds aren't generally active at the same time of day to have much experience with each other. Crows and hawks are natural enemies, though. Since using LIFE-LIKE crow decoys and adding black chickens to the flock, I have not experienced a single "hawking". I saw this tip and tried it after witnessing crows chase a hawk away that had landed near the coop. I've since seen crows chasing hawks over the entire property. I suppose the effectiveness of crow decoys and black chickens depends on how aggressive the crows are in a particular area. Luckily mine are super heroes. Now to prevent further losses to owls, I just had to start ensuring that the birds go in at dusk and then close the door. I had an owl go inside a small door and pull one out at night.

I know we have owls in the area, but as both of these attacks happened during the day, I’m sure it was a hawk. I I was hearing them for about a week and a half after the attack, nonstop, calling out in the trees above the run.
 
Link to product?
It's this stuff. https://www.amazon.com/Barrier-Prot...1&keywords=deer+fencing&qid=1607395068&sr=8-3

I'm not sure of the exact item he bought, but it's all pretty much the same. Think the rolls he found were 160 x 7 feet. We used more than 1 roll. It's a pretty big run for 7 chickens. Ran coated wires up high connected to trees, pulled out the length of fencing needed, layer it out over the wires, and then attached the deer fencing to the fence of the run using zip ties. I'll get photos the next time I'm over there.
 
It's this stuff. https://www.amazon.com/Barrier-Prot...1&keywords=deer+fencing&qid=1607395068&sr=8-3

I'm not sure of the exact item he bought, but it's all pretty much the same. Think the rolls he found were 160 x 7 feet. We used more than 1 roll. It's a pretty big run for 7 chickens. Ran coated wires up high connected to trees, pulled out the length of fencing needed, layer it out over the wires, and then attached the deer fencing to the fence of the run using zip ties. I'll get photos the next time I'm over there.


Interesting. The stuff I got looks sort of similar, but it’s still woven, and much heavier duty than deer netting. I’ll go up and snap a picture tomorrow as well. The region I live in is known for its fruit... like most all of the apples and pears in the country come from central WA. And there’s a ton of vineyards out here. Easy to find a commercial grade product
 
Okay, here’s a few more pictures of the netted run, we got some crazy heavy frost so you can actually see 😂

There’s also some close ups of the net itself. I’m sorry, there was no brand name on it or the package. I got it at a Vineyard and Orchard supply store, so I think they get bulk commercial grade product and just package it down. It’s very light, but labeled as “Extra Heavy Duty”. Hooking in my fingers and Pulling it apart with all my might, I couldn’t tear it! It also doesn’t tear or fray when snagging on tree bark(our fence posts) or exposed edges of 1/4” hardware cloth. Dimensions are 35’x50’, and we folded it in half to fit our run.
 

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I have never had a hawk eat the head.

Owls yes, they love heads. Or at least the great horned owls that have entered the coop through the pop door, happily ate heads.

I have had predation from bald eagles, a coopers hawk, some other hawk, and a falcon tried. None of those ever touched the head.

The coopers hawk was scary since it was perched in the low branches of a spruce. It just jumped from the low branch onto a cockerel and tore off the side of his chest... at which point I ran up and interrupted. Supposedly that is what cooper hawks do... hide in low branches.

All of the rest of the hawks and eagles killed by diving down from the sky... except for a couple of bald eagles....

once a bald eagle actually flew down through the ONE 2x2 foot hole in the wire roof, and then hopped over to try to kill a duck.

And twice an eagle flew down, then hopped into my run (through the propped open people door, open for free range time) and ate a few chickens and ducks.

I have also had one hawk or eagle... can't remember now... bust through the fishnet top to try and kill a chicken. Busting through the net reduced the impact, and I saw it happen and ran and stopped before further injury happened.

One eagle tried the same thing and got tangled in the net, we had to free it.

So......

I now have that concrete reinforcing wire on the top of all of my runs.

It has huge holes, so a raccoon could crawl in... but eagles and hawks don't get it. The huge holes mean it doesn't hold much snow, it is very ridged so needs only minimal support and a snow load doesn't bust it.

If you don't want to go that way...

Fishnet tops are good until the snow tears them down... and string with surveyors tape hung along like streamers does greatly reduce arial predation.

But not with Owls... they could care less and are very Freddy Krueger-esk.

So sorry for your to loss, even for one chicken.
Hawks usually perform open heart surgery on their prey. I've never heard if them taking the head off.
Fishnets,landscaping fabric works well also.
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