leg color

[Krys109uk]

I have been thinking of trying a mix of black ameraucana(APA) standard and this campine chick. I wonder what I'll get? I know a mutt, however a few generation on I could get a barred ameraucana, hopefully not with white ears.

What is it you are trying to do? If you want to improve campine leg colour I shouldn't think an Ameraucana a good outcross. For the sake of leg colour you would be getting an awful lot of other things to get rid of. If leg colour is the aim, I'd try to stick with the existing Campine chicks using the bird with the correct shank colour & the willow legged birds.

If you are wanting barred Ameraucana do you particularly want autosomal barring? Sex linked barring would be easier. If you want the autosomal barring, do they have a silver birchen Ameraucana? That would be a tad easier.​

 

[bearpaw]

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What is it you are trying to do? If you want to improve campine leg colour I shouldn't think an Ameraucana a good outcross. For the sake of leg colour you would be getting an awful lot of other things to get rid of. If leg colour is the aim, I'd try to stick with the existing Campine chicks using the bird with the correct shank colour & the willow legged birds.

If you are wanting barred Ameraucana do you particularly want autosomal barring? Sex linked barring would be easier. If you want the autosomal barring, do they have a silver birchen Ameraucana? That would be a tad easier.

Hi Krys109uk,
I am trying to get Barred ( Cuckoo) Aracaunas. Thought of using the campine to do so.
But check out what a Brittish Araucana club member sent me.

1st cross Lavender hen with black cock = 50% Lavenders and 30% Blue and 20% splash
Now breed Splash cock with Lavender hen = 50% splash and 50% barred These barred will be some black and some lavender.
Now breed Lavender barred cock and Lavender splash hen. Breed for four generations to work out any throwbacks. Does this formula make sense to you?

 

[Krys109uk]

Bearpaw wrote

check out what a Brittish Araucana club member sent me.

1st cross Lavender hen with black cock = 50% Lavenders and 30% Blue and 20% splash
Now breed Splash cock with Lavender hen = 50% splash and 50% barred These barred will be some black and some lavender.
Now breed Lavender barred cock and Lavender splash hen. Breed for four generations to work out any throwbacks. Does this formula make sense to you?

Campine will not help you to make Cuckoo. Cuckoo comes from sex linked barring gene so you would need to use something else.

I used to breed & show araucanas in UK & was a member of the club. I made both cuckoo & lavender cuckoo British type Araucanas; I'm afraid the formula you were given wouldn't work.

Probably best not to have both both lavender & adalusian blue in the same line.​

 

[bearpaw]

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What would you use to get Cuckoo?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Lavender + black will not give any lavenders unless the black was already carrying a lavender gene. If it were, then the results would be 50% lavender, 50% black split to lav.

As to shanks, I didn't see any discussion of Fm, which would also cause slate shanks & soles.

The barring gene, B, causes sex-linked barring as in most barred and cuckoo birds. Autosomal barring looks different--it looks almost like continuous lines circling the bird's body. Head and hackle are solid coloured silver or gold.

On the chromosome, the B gene is very close to the Fm gene that causes dark skin. Getting a dark skinned sex-link barred bird can be done, but it takes many, many tries until you get a crossover--where only one of those two very closely located genes is passed on. Once you have crossover the problem no longer exists with that bird or its descendants. Breeders have been working on cuckoo silkies and some are starting to have quite dark skin and combs.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

1st cross Lavender hen with black cock = 50% Lavenders and 30% Blue and 20% splash
Now breed Splash cock with Lavender hen = 50% splash and 50% barred. These barred will be some black and some lavender.

This doesn't make any sense.

Lavender, blue and barred are all different, unrelated genes. Barred cannot hide under any of these colours, although a barred splash would probably be pretty messy looking and the barring might not be obvious. A bird who is both blue and lavender looks more like the blue phenotype; ditto with splash. For a black bird to have blue offspring, it must be bred to blue or splash. It cannot have splash offspring.​

 

[bearpaw]

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This doesn't make any sense.

Lavender, blue and barred are all different, unrelated genes. Barred cannot hide under any of these colours, although a barred splash would probably be pretty messy looking and the barring might not be obvious. A bird who is both blue and lavender looks more like the blue phenotype; ditto with splash. For a black bird to have blue offspring, it must be bred to blue or splash. It cannot have splash offspring.

That is what I thought! I hope krys109uk has the answer as to what I should do. She created them in Great Britain.

 

[Krys109uk]

Bearpaw,
I ought to clarify. I was not the first person to make cuckoo or lavender cuckoo araucanas in UK. I don't know how many people made cuckoo before me & another chap made the lavender cuckoo at around the same time, probably just before.

For the outcross to get the barring gene I used cuckoo leghorns as I wanted to maintain the good blue eggs I was getting from the lavender Araucanas I used. I had made the cuckoo leghorns from white leghorns some years earlier.

 

[bearpaw]

Krys109uk,

I read somethin about the cuckoo leghorns today, seems this person had some if I can only recall where I read it.

Thanks for the Idea

 

[bearpaw]

I think barred (cuckoo) Hollands would be better than leghorns!
The Leghorns lay white eggs but have white ear lobes which could take time to get rid of.
The Hollands have red ear lobes and lay white eggs also. What do you think?