losing young coturnix chicks

thequietman

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May 23, 2014
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hello, I've been a lurker here for a bit (reading but wasn't a member). I've run into a problem, so I finally joined.

I successfully hatched some mixed coturnix eggs (Pharaoh and Jumbo Brown, Texas A&M, Tuxedo, and some Golden I think). I incubated 43 eggs and got 37 that hatched (86%, the remaining were mostly unfertilized except for two that appeared to have started developing but didn't make it and one that started to peck out but died in the process). I am feeding them Dumor Chick Starter (24% protein) because I wasn't able to get the 30% Gamebird Starter (its on special order and should get here soon).

I kept them inside for the first week, in a storage tub with rubbery drawer liner (like this) covered in aspen shavings (the drawer liner helped them not slip and slide). They seemed to do extremely well. They looked health, active, and happy. I'm pretty sure the temperature was good (they spread out pretty evenly, didn't huddle together, and didn't avoid the heat lamp). After the first week inside in the tub, I moved them out to a brooder I built. The brooder has a wire floor (1/2"), but since they are still small I covered it with drawer liner and then aspen shavings (essentially they are on what they were on in the tub). They still seem very happy with the temperature (spread, not bunched up, etc. - thermometer reads 95-99 degrees). They are on the same feed (Dumor Chick Starter 24% protein), and always have water (in a quail waterer like this, changed multiple times a day).

They seemed good in the brooder, but suddenly after 3-4 days in the brooder, I have had chicks die. I can't figure out why. They will all look okay (active, moving, eating and drinking, etc) and then when I come back a few hours later, I might find one dead (no obvious cause that I can see). They are all feathering out, and have been hopping and flapping, but I don't think they are hitting the roof (9" high). I have been watching them very carefully, and haven't seen any significant signs of sickness before one dies (no sneezing or respiratory issues, eyes are clean and clear, legs look fine).

After watching them a lot, I finally saw one die. It's common to see one sleeping/resting, but they wake up or get up readily (when bumped or jostled by other chicks or if I open the pen). I noticed one who seemed to immediately go back to sleep/rest after being disturbed. It just looked more tired than normal. Over 15 min or so, it got to the point were it just wouldn't get up any more. I tried giving it some water, which it drank, but it died very shortly after. It went downhill surprisingly fast over a 15 min timeframe. It was noticeably smaller and scrawnier that the others, and it does seem like it's mostly (but not always) the smaller birds that are dying. The ones that have died were a mix of color/breeds (some Texas A&M, some Pharaoh, and some Golden).

Any ideas on what might be causing the problem? I started with 37 chicks who all made it to 1 1/2 weeks, and have now lost 9 of them in the last 1/2 week.

In case it is helpful, I can add a post detailing my incubator and brooder setup.
 
Here is a link for brooding game birds. If they are on their second week, the temperature should be somewhere in the mid 80s.
Just curious, when you said you "moved them out to their brooder", do you mean "outside"? Are there any environmental conditions that could change the tempertature in the brooder (wind or moisture)? If the brooder isn't fully protected from wind on all 4 sides, a little breeze could possibly be the culprit. Not saying that is what it is, as I don't know anything about your brooder except what you listed in your post.
James
 
Thanks for the input.

For the temperature, I was trying to gauge it based on their behavior. The the 95-99 degree setting was when I moved the to the brooder (outside). The temperature reading is from just about right under the lamp. Away from the lamp the temperature is lower (giving them the ability to move to where they seem comfortable). The lamps are on one side of the brooder, with about 1/2 not under direct lamp heating (the whole brooder is 2' x 3'). Since moving them to the brooder, I have dropped the heat (again measured almost right under the lamp) to about 93. I was planning on dropping it to about 88 soon.

The brooder is outside, but on a covered porch, that is mostly wind protected. I have almost all sides closed but left an ~1'x6" section of wire open at one end (I was afraid they wouldn't get enough air otherwise - the top and bottom are closed). I don't think they are having a draft problem, and they are not bunching up.

In the future, I was thinking I would probably keep them inside for 2 weeks instead of 1...

Thanks again for the reply.
 
The feed is super important with chicks,you really need the 30% for at least the first 4 weeks. Like I said in another post I have a low mortality rate
and I attribute it mostly to good feed.

also make sure their drinking water is at roughly the same temperature as the brooder.
 
I agree with james if your brooder is smallish and your temp is high that could be the culprit. only other thing I can think of is are they getting wet when they walk across the water font?

The thing I'd do right now would be to add a vitamin/electrolyte solution to the water, i use vitasol, you can find it at most pets stores. And check your thermometer to make sure it's accurate. Summer brooding is hard sometimes because ambient temps drive up the brooder temp.
 
Sorry for the slow reply. Other issues came up and I spent yesterday pulling the starter out of my car and repairing it.

Long story shorter - My remaining birds seem to be good (knock on wood). I haven't lost any since I posted a couple of days ago. I'm not sure if it's just that they all growing, or if the smaller/weaker ones died, but all the remaining now look significantly larger and stronger. After my second post, I did pick up some sav-a-chick electrolyte and probiotic packets which I have been using. Not sure if it helped, but it probably didn't hurt.

For temperature, I have two thermometers in the brooder. They don't always agree exactly, but that doesn't surprise me since that are in slightly different parts of the brooder. I usually just average the readings. The brooder has two heat lamps, one small which stays one all the time, and another larger one on a dimmer that is controlled by a digital thermostat (goes on and off based on a connected probe thermometer). The chicks definitely have room to get away from the heat if the want to.In the last half of a week the chick's feather have come in significantly, and they seem much more comfortable ranging out of the side with the heat lamps to the end that has the opening.

All in all, as I mentioned in my last post, next time I think I will keep them in an inside tub brooder up to the two week point. The difference between 1 and 2 week old chicks is impressive, and having feathered out quite a bit in that week may be helpful (in case drafts played a part in the deaths).

Thank you all for your help!
 

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